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Cops 3: Shoot low boys -- they're ridin' Shetland ponies!

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Brenthoven said:
Um, it IS illegal to serve an intoxicated person, at least in MN. I would assume that's a federal law.
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It's not a federal law. MN adopted the law back when a rash of other states were doing the same.
 
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Brenthoven said:
Ok, then that may change things. It SHOULD be a federal law....
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No, it really shouldn't be a federal law. Federal laws should be reserved for specific issues. This is a situation that took place entirely within the borders of a single state and should therefore be prosecuted according to that state's laws, both criminal and civil.


Whatever happened to the old saying, "Don't make a federal case out of it"? It applies here, too. With rare exception, murder isn't a federal crime yet every state in the union has laws against murder. Just because a law is commonly held doesn't mean it should go to the federal courts.
 
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Brenthoven said:
Ok, then that may change things. It SHOULD be a federal law....
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Yeah, because the FBI has time to arrest every bartender that overserves a customer. :rolleyes:

Shiat, they don't even go after bank robbers anymore since 9/11, since they've been re-tasked.

The Federal government also doesn't have general police powers. That's why 99% of crimes are prosecuted at the state level.
 
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unofan said:
Yeah, because the FBI has time to arrest every bartender that overserves a customer. :rolleyes:
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Oh, cut it out. People get over-served all the time. But in a case where it ends in death due to drunk-driving, I think it warrants a look-see.
 
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Brenthoven said:
Oh, cut it out. People get over-served all the time. But in a case where it ends in death due to drunk-driving, I think it warrants a look-see.
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Isnt that what the sainted police force is for?
 
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Brenthoven said:
I think the DUI laws are too light, and the related penalties, too. You can do without the snark of "sainted," btw.
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Oh right, let's lock them up and throw away the key. Of course the prison industrial complex will probably still want to sue.
 
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Brenthoven said:
I think the DUI laws are too light, and the related penalties, too. You can do without the snark of "sainted," btw.
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No I cant...I used it for a reason.

DUI laws are too light, making them federal though is not the answer. (and forcing the FBI to deal with them is the WAY wrong answer and the FBI would agree) It is up to the states and counties to make tougher laws, and they pay the police force for the job of protecting the populace from the drunk drivers. Calling in the feds for such a low level task is massive overkill and will cost a fortune. What is the purpose of the local police force if they cant even police locally? Why should I trust them to protect me from murderers and thieves if they cant even handle this stuff?

You want to take stuff off the local police force's plate that is fine...but there are better things to call the FBI in on than drunk driving.
 
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I don't have a link handy, there was a story somewhere yesterday about Dallas police: ever since Chief Brown said [paraphrase], "stop complaining and start doing something. Join the force and make a difference."
I think applications to join Dallas PD since then are over 700.
 
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Handyman said:
No I cant...I used it for a reason.

DUI laws are too light, making them federal though is not the answer. (and forcing the FBI to deal with them is the WAY wrong answer and the FBI would agree) It is up to the states and counties to make tougher laws, and they pay the police force for the job of protecting the populace from the drunk drivers. Calling in the feds for such a low level task is massive overkill and will cost a fortune. What is the purpose of the local police force if they cant even police locally? Why should I trust them to protect me from murderers and thieves if they cant even handle this stuff?

You want to take stuff off the local police force's plate that is fine...but there are better things to call the FBI in on than drunk driving.
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A federal standard on laws doesn't mean the policing is done by the feds. We have a national maximum speed limit, but speeding is enforced by state cops. Likewise, we could have a national maximum BAC.
 
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Kepler said:
A federal standard on laws doesn't mean the policing is done by the feds. We have a national maximum speed limit, but speeding is enforced by state cops. Likewise, we could have a national maximum BAC.
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Do we have a national maximum speed limit that pertains to state highways?
 
Kepler said:
A federal standard on laws doesn't mean the policing is done by the feds. We have a national maximum speed limit, but speeding is enforced by state cops. Likewise, we could have a national maximum BAC.
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We have as much of a national BAC limit as we do a speed limit already. I'm not aware of any state that has a limit other than .08. There may be a holdout somewhere, but that's certainly the most prevalent by far.
 
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Brent, you do realize we, as a country, can have legitimate and correctly enforced laws without making them a federal offense, right?
 
unofan said:
We have as much of a national BAC limit as we do a speed limit already. I'm not aware of any state that has a limit other than .08. There may be a holdout somewhere, but that's certainly the most prevalent by far.
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That "national BAC" was brought about through highway funds being withheld by the Feds if states didn't change their DUI laws to that .08 standard.

As to a national speed limit, we don't technically have one anymore but MT had to set an actual limit, which it abolished after 1995, because a case ended up in the courts and MT implemented a de facto limit but called it a 'waste of fuel' fine instead.
 
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