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Cops 3: Shoot low boys -- they're ridin' Shetland ponies!

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bigblue_dl said:
Everyone seems to lump all of these terrible incidents into one group, either "they're all justifiable shootings" or "they're all racists murdering innocent people". Can we all just agree it is much more murky than that? Some police involved shootings absolutely are justifiable, and the police are completely in the right. Others are egregious actions, taken by officers in power, that amount to murder. Just because one incident is one case, doesn't mean the next one will be too. Please don't fall into the trap of lumping them all into one box or the other.
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Said while you're lumping everyone in with the relatively few who actually do that. ;)

I think the vast majority of us evaluate these case by case. There are a few "cops can do no wrong!" types and a few "cops are the Blue Klux Klan" types out there, but they're idiots and they're few in number.
 
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Kepler said:
Said while you're lumping everyone in with the relatively few who actually do that. ;)

I think the vast majority of us evaluate these case by case. There are a few "cops can do no wrong!" types and a few "cops are the Blue Klux Klan" types out there, but they're idiots and they're few in number.
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Well, maybe it just seems like everyone, since its the people that do the lumping that tend to be most vocal.
 
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bigblue_dl said:
Well, maybe it just seems like everyone, since its the people that do the lumping that tend to be most vocal.
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In the public square, the morons have the bullhorns. Dunning-Kruger.
 
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Brenthoven said:
I don't know the specifics, hence me waiting to find out. The bolded/underlined is an incredibly ignorant mindset to have. "White cop, dealing with black citizen. Yup, cop is racist." :rolleyes:
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You are right...he probably shot him because he feared the car he drove.

You yourself say he sounds "scared" well what does he have to fear exactly?
 
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bigblue_dl said:
Everyone seems to lump all of these terrible incidents into one group, either "they're all justifiable shootings" or "they're all racists murdering innocent people". Can we all just agree it is much more murky than that? Some police involved shootings absolutely are justifiable, and the police are completely in the right. Others are egregious actions, taken by officers in power, that amount to murder. Just because one incident is one case, doesn't mean the next one will be too. Please don't fall into the trap of lumping them all into one box or the other.
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Every case is different, but there does seem to be a pattern which is what sucks. Ultimately I just want less citizens to die at the hands of cops. I also want citizens to act in a more lawful and respectful manner.
 
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Kepler said:
Our monkey brains are great at finding patterns and drawing conclusions. Cops' "customers" tend to be poor, and to a large extent in the US we color code our poor. Cops are on edge in any interaction with someone they see as a potential perp. The calculation of that probability works on a point system. If male, add tons of points. If young, add tons more. If black, add more. Combine these "pattern recognitions" with confirmation bias, and seat them among racial narratives that are especially prevalent among the blue collar population many cops are drawn from and voila -- fear of a black planet.

People think racism is "I hate black people therefore I hate you." Real racism works in much more functionalist and hidden ways. You don't have to be a capital R Racist to have racist thoughts.

My guess is, if you hold all other variables equal:

if this guy is white, he lives
if this guy is old, he lives
if this guy is a woman, she lives
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All of this!
 
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bigblue_dl said:
Everyone seems to lump all of these terrible incidents into one group, either "they're all justifiable shootings" or "they're all racists murdering innocent people".
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No one is saying that. Many are saying the latter happens too frequently and is completely unacceptable.
 
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"Family members of the slain dad told The Post on Tuesday that if Isaacs, a three-year veteran, is not charged for the killing of Small, they’ll “hunt him down” themselves."

Another cop shooting an innocent person, according to the victims family. Until neighboring business owners say security cameras show the "victim" punching the off-duty copy in the face several times. I really liked this part of the story too:

...the slain man’s brother said it didn’t matter if Small threw the first punch.

“At the end of the day, all that matters to me is that he got shot by a cop for no reason,”
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In what world can you punch someone repeatedly in the face and not expect any sort of consequences?
 
Handyman said:
You are right...he probably shot him because he feared the car he drove.

You yourself say he sounds "scared" well what does he have to fear exactly?
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He's scared in the video because he realized he farked up and thoughts of potential jail time were probably running through his head. We don't know whether he was scared before that or not.
 
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Kepler said:
Um. In what world can I murder you if you punch me?
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I think people need to brush up their self defense law...though in that case I have zero sympathy for the "victim".
 
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Can someone briefly summarize the events in MN and is this a different story than the "guy punching another guy" situation?
 
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Slap Shot said:
Can someone briefly summarize the events in MN and is this a different story than the "guy punching another guy" situation?
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Pulled over for traffic stop. Two cops. One goes to drive side (girlfriend there) one goes to passenger side. Passenger side guy informs cop he has a gun and then reaches for his ID. Cop shoots him. Dead. Girlfriend streams rest on facebook. Girlfriend is eventually handcuffed and sent to lock up with young kid that was in backseat.

There's a lot of other details but that's the brief synopsis.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Pulled over for traffic stop. Two cops. One goes to drive side (girlfriend there) one goes to passenger side. Passenger side guy informs cop he has a gun and then reaches for his ID. Cop shoots him. Dead. Girlfriend streams rest on facebook. Girlfriend is eventually handcuffed and sent to lock up with young kid that was in backseat.

There's a lot of other details but that's the brief synopsis.
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Dont forget he told the officers he had a conceal/carry permit and said he was reaching for his ID.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Going from memory and tried not to embellish. Knew I would miss some finer points.
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Thank god his gf Facebook lived right away after so we knew the facts. Who knows the story that comes out if not...
 
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