Cops 2: Pay No Attention to the Rioters Behind the Curtain

[Slap Shot]

Because when they say they're not trained to add hoot to kill, and then a farking former FBI supervisory agent comes out and all but says they are, it's more proof that cops are not your friend.

If you threaten my very existence I'm not going to be your friend either. If you're cool however then we cool. Again I don't give a rats *** what they say about why they shoot center mass.

 

[FreshFish]

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it's more proof that cops are not your friends

police officers may not be your friends.....I've always had neutral to positive interactions with them, never a problem. I've seen them go out of their way with acts of thoughtfulness and kindness to struggling people in need.

News stories today seem more about promoting the reporter's social agenda and less about delivering factual information.

 

[MaizeRage]

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police officers may not be your friends.....I've always had neutral to positive interactions with them, never a problem. I've seen them go out of their way with acts of thoughtfulness and kindness to struggling people in need.

News stories today seem more about promoting the reporter's social agenda and less about delivering factual information.

Congratulations on being white.

 

[unofan]

police officers may not be your friends.....I've always had neutral to positive interactions with them, never a problem. I've seen them go out of their way with acts of thoughtfulness and kindness to struggling people in need.

News stories today seem more about promoting the reporter's social agenda and less about delivering factual information.

My wife is a public defender. They're not all bad (in fact, she likes most of the state patrol officers and crime lab people she deals with), but there are a lot of bad ones, especially at the local level. Some of them are legitimately power wielding thugs who never out grew being the high school bully, and now they have the power of the state backing them up.

And even the good ones, you never volunteer anything to them because they will use it against you every chance they get.

 

[Kepler]

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Congratulations on being white.

This. The single greatest "white privilege" we have is that the cops aren't immediately suspicious and on edge around us. Imagine if law enforcement treated you as a suspect, just because.

My first reaction would be fear.

My next reaction would be anger.

 

[unofan]

They aren't trained to kill the target. They are trained to hit the biggest mass of the target, which HAPPENS to also be an area that is vital to life. Two separate issues. If they were trained to kill, now we're talking very specific areas: head, heart. General vs specific areas.

Again, that's not what the FBI agent said. Don't argue with me, take it up with her.

 

[Kepler]

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My wife is a public defender

I assume you guys have seen Gideon's Army, right? Great documentary on public defenders and their impossible task.

 

[unofan]

This. The single greatest "white privilege" we have is that the cops aren't immediately suspicious and on edge around us. Imagine if law enforcement treated you as a suspect, just because.

My first reaction would be fear.

My next reaction would be anger.

As I said before, there are still two components to police brutality complaints. There is a race angle in many instances, but there's also simply the fact that the law and the thin blue line protect generally bad cops who are overzealous.

The latter affects everyone and leads to things like no knock arrests by SWAT teams in the middle of the night for a drug possession charge. The former leads to 12 year olds being "mistaken" for a 24 year old.

 

[unofan]

I assume you guys have seen Gideon's Army, right? Great documentary on public defenders and their impossible task.

I may have seen that, but doubt it...we tend to steer clear of legal system movies and shows these days simply because we see too much of that crap at work. That and there are few if any shows that even come close to matching reality, so we end up getting annoyed at the flaws.

 

[St. Clown]

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police officers may not be your friends.....I've always had neutral to positive interactions with them, never a problem. I've seen them go out of their way with acts of thoughtfulness and kindness to struggling people in need.

News stories today seem more about promoting the reporter's social agenda and less about delivering factual information.

I've run the gambit when interacting with the police. The Metro Transit cop threatened to arrest me and run me into jail because I hadn't scanned my transit card - an unlimited ride card that was paid up through the following January and the incident was the day after Thanksgiving. (I think he was putting on a show for the DHS agents who were there as support that day - only time I'd ever seen DHS agents on the light rail around here.) On the other end of the spectrum, I've had a couple different officers who could've made my life a living hell, and been well within the law to do so, but let me off because they knew I wasn't some habitual offender.

 

[Kepler]

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I may have seen that, but doubt it...we tend to steer clear of legal system movies and shows these days simply because we see too much of that crap at work. That and there are few if any shows that even come close to matching reality, so we end up getting annoyed at the flaws.

Well, it's a documentary, not Hollywood's typical paeon to the police state. I recommend it.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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police officers may not be your friends.....I've always had neutral to positive interactions with them, never a problem. I've seen them go out of their way with acts of thoughtfulness and kindness to struggling people in need.

News stories today seem more about promoting the reporter's social agenda and less about delivering factual information.

You have a point, to some extent. But I think MaizeRage has a point as well.

I've had plenty of shtty interactions with cops. My favorite though was when my buddy was DDing for us when we were out celebrating. It's after 1 AM and I see a car coming at us with fairly clean headlights (I've found this is often a telltale sign of cops during the winter) and I mention this. The car passes and whips around immediately. Pretty much everyone made some sort of expletive comment because we all knew what was next.

The cop comes up, hand on his gun with the top strap undone. Immediately starts in an aggressive tone with our driver, who ends up not having his insurance card on him. He starts asking him about why he smells alcohol, fine. He also doubles down on his contempt for the driver. Hand on the gun the entire time, seriously. He finally gets around to why he pulled my friend over.

"I noticed you have some front end damage to your car"
"Yeah, I hit a raccoon earlier in the day" (The bumper was slightly dislodged and the foglight was out.)
"Don't you think that's a lot of damage for hitting a racoon?"
"...uhhh. Well, I've never hit an animal before or a racoon, so I have no idea." (This guy has nothing but respect for authority, so take my word when I say he didn't say it with a hint of sarcasm or anything like it.)
Cop goes off, writes him a couple of tickets, and leaves.

Just an absurd exchange from the get go. A guy was DDing for his drunk friends and the cop completely gives him **** about it. The proper way to handle it was experienced this summer at the cabin:

We have two cars and a buddy and I are DDing since we drew the short straws. I knew there was cops out so I'm going the speed limit and my buddy is in front of us going a few MPH faster. The occupants of his car are just wrecked. We both turn and he gets going up to the 55 MPH speed limit way faster that I did since it wasn't my car and wasn't comfortable flooring it from 30 at bar close. So he's way out ahead of us and a car with only head lights on while driving on a single lane county road comes flying at what must have been 80 or 90 MPH because I didn't even see him until he was past. A crazy move to be sure.

Pulls my buddy over and says he was going over the speed limit. Probably true. Quickly realizes what's going on, asks him to step out of the car just to talk and make sure he wasn't drunk. Tells him thanks for DDing and sends him on his way.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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I've run the gamut when interacting with the police. The Metro Transit cop threatened to arrest me and run me into jail because I hadn't scanned my transit card - an unlimited ride card that was paid up through the following January and the incident was the day after Thanksgiving. (I think he was putting on a show for the DHS agents who were there as support that day - only time I'd ever seen DHS agents on the light rail around here.) On the other end of the spectrum, I've had a couple different officers who could've made my life a living hell, and been well within the law to do so, but let me off because they knew I wasn't some habitual offender.

FtFY.

 

[SJHovey]

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Boy, a lot of contempt for cops here.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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Well, it's a documentary, not Hollywood's typical paeon to the police state. I recommend it.

I watched that on a rainy Saturday a couple months back. It's decent but terribly depressing. John Oliver had a great follow-up to it a few weeks back.

 

[Kepler]

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Boy, a lot of contempt for cops here.

Sigh.

 

[Kepler]

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I watched that on a rainy Saturday a couple months back. It's decent but terribly depressing. John Oliver had a great follow-up to it a few weeks back.

Yes to both.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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Boy, a lot of contempt for cops here.

*shrug*

Who hasn't dealt with a shtty cop though? I've only had a few interactions that weren't in a staged setting, and looking back, at least half of them have been negative to just crazy.

I have a neighbor who may be my favorite neighbor of all time. She's a cop and is part of the crisis management team for St Paul. Nothing but great things to say about her.

I think most people would agree that most cops are good people. Especially away from work or at functions. But then again, when most people think of cops, they think of times they've been pulled over, what they see on the news, or any number of other anecdotes that reinforce the negative stereotype. A cop letting a DD off from speeding isn't going to make the news. A cop that shoots someone is news, and it should be.

National Night Out is a great time to interact with your local cops and get to know the human side of them.

 

[The Rube]

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I drove around for YEARS with a car that had a giant Grateful Dead logo painted on the hood, along with many irreverent bumper stickers, like "Fukengruven" etc.

Ya think that wasn't a target for cops?

Guess what? Never broke the law. Only got pulled over twice, both for fixit tickets: broken tail light which happened the same day, and front license plate in the front window/not affixed to front of the car (which I admit, I didn't know that was a law).

 

[MaizeRage]

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I drove around for YEARS with a car that had a giant Grateful Dead logo painted on the hood, along with many irreverent bumper stickers, like "Fukengruven" etc.

Ya think that wasn't a target for cops?

Guess what? Never broke the law. Only got pulled over twice, both for fixit tickets: broken tail light which happened the same day, and front license plate in the front window/not affixed to front of the car (which I admit, I didn't know that was a law).

Congratulations on being white.