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Cops 2: Pay No Attention to the Rioters Behind the Curtain

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I get that, but there's a proper forum for that. 10 pm in the middle of the streets is not that forum.

Idiot on camera, or tried to be.

Thinking media said, "Let us cover this, but we will obey all your orders." Cops said, "Okay, we can do that."
 
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Not tear gas. But protesters are throwing back the canisters. That's smart.

One of the MSNBC reporters is standing practically in the barricade line (he couldn't get his equipment moved by the time they marched up to him) and reported that he saw protesters throwing the smoke bombs into their own crowd and at the cops. He hasn't seen anything come from the police.
 
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Problem is to enforce it reinforces the view that the police/city don't care about what the protesters have to say. Even if it is a primarily small group of agitators out to cause problems, there are still going to be average people just out and about who will be encouraged to resist or fight back because it creates an "us vs them" mentality.

It's a no win situation for anyone other than the news media.
No one should be "out and about". Get the hell off the streets.
 
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This is being handled masterfully so far.

I EVER so slightly disagree. I think a little escalation is needed. I'm hearing "moving forward 5 feet every 10 minutes." Should be a little quicker than that. Be serious about this. Give them an inch, they'll take a foot.
 
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Second MSNBC reporter confirms it's just a tiny handful of a**holes who are running up, throwing sh*t at the police, and running back into the group and laugh.

Baltimore PD doing a darn good job of just holding their own and taking the abuse.
 
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No. **** that. We don't need escalation. Crowds are starting to disperse. There is no violence. There is absolutely no reason to escalate
 
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No. **** that. We don't need escalation. Crowds are starting to disperse. There is no violence. There is absolutely no reason to escalate

The former BALT commish says this is why he hates curfews. You have to fully enforce it, or not. There is no "kinda." They chose curfew, so deal with it.
 
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I'd arrest this numbskull approaching the cops and yelling.
 
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I'd like to clarify some earlier posts of mine. Curfew was set at 10pm for today. There was a day's warning. The movements should have started at 10, on the dot. The execution of the movements have been wonderful. My point was, don't wait another 20-30 minutes past curfew to start those movements. You wait, you give them leeway. How much leeway will happen the next time? And there will be a next time.
 
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Well, now people are throwing things. This was going fine when people just stood around. Why don't people understand peaceful protest?


From the aforementioned Coates artiicle.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/04/nonviolence-as-compliance/391640/

When nonviolence is preached as an attempt to evade the repercussions of political brutality, it betrays itself. When nonviolence begins halfway through the war with the aggressor calling time out, it exposes itself as a ruse. When nonviolence is preached by the representatives of the state, while the state doles out heaps of violence to its citizens, it reveals itself to be a con. And none of this can mean that rioting or violence is "correct" or "wise," any more than a forest fire can be "correct" or "wise." Wisdom isn't the point tonight. Disrespect is. In this case, disrespect for the hollow law and failed order that so regularly disrespects the community.

And from the aforementioned Pierce article.
http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a34648/the-fires-in-the-morning/


The placid white reading of the Civil Rights Movement is so deeply embedded in our history that Dr. King's philosophy of non-violent resistence has become a kind of anesthetic balm running through it. Alas, in reality, this leaves us with a paradox best summed up by paraphrasing Jack Nicholson's line from Prizzi's Honor: if Dr. King was so fkin' unifying, how come he's so fking dead? The violence that attended almost every moment of those days has been elided from our history, just as the stunning report published almost a year ago in the Baltimore Sun will be elided from the history of this rioting and the inevitably unpleasant -- and inevitably idiotic -- political aftermath.

Non-violent resistance requires a kind of implicit reason on both sides. It requires that both sides see an end to matters, that they acknowledge, even tacitly, that there is a level of violent repression that is unsupportable in a civil society. But how does one reason in the face of brutalized futility? How does one reason in the face of repeated injustices, of unacknowledged crimes, and of injuries blamed not on the perpetrators, but on the victims? The logic of non-violent resistance breaks down in the face of that, when official violence fails to acknowledge any limits at all, when it does not recognize any possible point at which official violence becomes intolerable to the public at large. At that point, there is no telling what comes next.
 
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Well, now people are throwing things. This was going fine when people just stood around. Why don't people understand peaceful protest?

As I posted earlier, the students wanted a peaceful protest. The cops didn't. So, the cops escalated the situation. And what do you know? All heck broke loose. So the cops decided to instigate martial law, just as their masters, the SPLC, instructed them to do.
 
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An article is which he calls the police the most dangerous gang in the city, which has had more than 900 homicides during the same timeframe he quotes. Nobody is saying police brutality is a good thing. It most definitely needs to be fixed and the officers found guilty need to be punished. However, opinion pieces like this are pointless when all they're doing is enraging more people. Although he writes so far over most people's heads that I doubt too many people could sit through the entire article.

Edit: After reading the comments section, I am *shocked* that a majority of those commenting are middle aged, educated white people patting each other on the back for being so understanding of the plight of the poor, uneducated black man.
 
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Apparently the curfew was merely a suggestion. Now more people are showing up, not wanting to go home. These friggin' idiots just don't get it. Time to use force. This is just stupid.

"Here at the Baron Harkonnen Police Academy, we are firm but fair."
 
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An article is which he calls the police the most dangerous gang in the city, which has had more than 900 homicides during the same timeframe he quotes. Nobody is saying police brutality is a good thing. It most definitely needs to be fixed and the officers found guilty need to be punished. However, opinion pieces like this are pointless when all they're doing is enraging more people. Although he writes so far over most people's heads that I doubt too many people could sit through the entire article.

Using the isolated situation excuse is exactly what lets them get away with what they do. It's the whole "Oh, it could never happen to me" syndrome. Yes, it can happen to you, and if we don't do something about it now, it will. They should be trusted as much as they trust us: not one lick. We need to unite together to protest and remove elected AND appointed facets of this militarized government establishment, or we will find ourselves in a state of martial law with many citizens in FEMA death camps.
 
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