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Cops 2: Pay No Attention to the Rioters Behind the Curtain

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Now you're just trolling.
 
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SJHovey said:
So what exactly was the provocation that lead to last night's looting?

Gray was arrested and injured April 12. He died April 19. The youtube video was posted the same day.

So what exactly was the big incendiary incident that provoked these people into hooliganism and theft on the night of Monday the 27th? They didn't like the choice of music at his funeral? The cops in question hadn't been hung yet? Is there still time for me and the other whiteys to burn anything because of the OJ verdict?

At least in Ferguson I can buy the provocation. The DA comes out and says the cop walks, sure I can see some people taking to the streets in anger.

But what happened last night? Those guys in Baltimore just finally hear the news?
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LOL. A mob needs a reason to riot?? ROTFLMAO. You're a riot.
 
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SJHovey said:
But what happened last night. Those guys in Baltimore just finally hear the news?
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****ed if I know. But I think we should probably listen to people who were there, on the street, and from those communities. Even if there were things that they say provoked them, we may well think that's no excuse for the behavior. (I can't think of any reason I'd find to excuse them; though I would like to know what really happened.)

But I have a friend who emails links to websites devoted to stories about black people beating up white people. There's a whole industry out there that thrives on taking these incidents and trumpeting them as "what do you expect from them?" The Comment sections are as horrifying as the worst of what you'd expect if the Wiemar Republic had had the internet. There are lots of people who love these incidents -- and wait for them for an excuse to unleash a load of racist bile. They don't give two craps about the property damage (which happened to black people) or the personal injuries (ditto) or the trickle down effects of business closures, insurance hikes, drying up of retail services, etc. They just want a socially acceptable way to wail garbage that equates to the n word as loudly as they can.
 
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Priceless said:
Oh, and can we stop with the "obey the law and the cops will leave you alone" garbage? There was NO probable cause to stop Grey and he was still stopped, handcuffed, manicled and eventually killed. No, if you simply obey the law there are some cops who still will not leave you alone.
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You really call this obeying the law?

Also, found this. The cops allegedly didn't need probable cause? Any of the lawyers here know what case is being referenced, and if it can even be applied? The lawyer in the article works for the police union, so I'm not about to just take his word for it, since it doesn't seem right to me.
 
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Kepler said:
There's a whole industry out there that thrives on taking these incidents and trumpeting them as "what do you expect from them?"
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Thankfully nothing like that would ever get it's second thread on USCHO
 
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Love Kep's you must be a racist because...

You'll find me pretty consistent on my anti-riot stance.

G-8? Occupy? Canuckleheads? Joe-Pa Pro-pedos? Last night?

Yep. Against them all. Those crazy blacks in Vancouver tearing up the town after their Canucks blew it.
 
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Gurtholfin said:
Love Kep's you must be a racist because...

You'll find me pretty consistent on my anti-riot stance.

G-8? Occupy? Canuckleheads? Joe-Pa Pro-pedos? Last night?

Yep. Against them all. Those crazy blacks in Vancouver tearing up the town after their Canucks blew it.
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I just knew you weren't pro pedo! Poser!
 
MinnesotaNorthStar said:
You really call this obeying the law?

Also, found this. The cops allegedly didn't need probable cause? Any of the lawyers here know what case is being referenced, and if it can even be applied? The lawyer in the article works for the police union, so I'm not about to just take his word for it, since it doesn't seem right to me.
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At the time he was obeying the law. There was no probable cause. I don't care what his rap sheet was. The police are supposed to need probable cause to stop you. Or do you want to do away with that legal requirement?
 
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Is there a racial angle here though? Are the cops white or black? I believe the politicians are all black since O'Malley left to become governor as well as the law enforcement leadership.
 
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MinnesotaNorthStar said:
You really call this obeying the law?

Also, found this. The cops allegedly didn't need probable cause? Any of the lawyers here know what case is being referenced, and if it can even be applied? The lawyer in the article works for the police union, so I'm not about to just take his word for it, since it doesn't seem right to me.
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Reasonable suspicion allows the initial stop. Probable cause is necessary for the arrest.

He's phrasing it inarticulately, but my guess is he's going for the "it's illegal to resist even an illegal arrest" scenario. When Grey fled that potentially could be seen as something like interference with official acts or resisting arrest or some other offense of a similar nature, which then gave the cops probable cause to arrest him at that point even if they didn't have anything on him originally.
 
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Priceless said:
At the time he was obeying the law. There was no probable cause. I don't care what his rap sheet was. The police are supposed to need probable cause to stop you. Or do you want to do away with that legal requirement?
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Did you read the second article? Someone thinks we already have done away with it...

And just so you aren't confused, I'm not defending the cops in this instance.
 
MinnesotaNorthStar said:
Did you read the second article? Someone thinks we already have done away with it...

And just so you aren't confused, I'm not defending the cops in this instance.
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I remember in the first story I posted on this subject even the police department said the police officer did not have sufficient cause to make the stop.
 
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MinnesotaNorthStar said:
I'm not defending the cops in this instance.
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Nobody has that I've read, yet that isn't stopping certain folks from crying wolf.


Don't look now but CNN reporting on a couple of positive gatherings that are going on.

Reporters on scene and live coverage no less!
 
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Gurtholfin said:
Nobody has that I've read, yet that isn't stopping certain folks from crying wolf.


Don't look now but CNN reporting on a couple of positive gatherings that are going on.

Reporters on scene and live coverage no less!
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Msnbc has joined priceless and all the others saying the coverage shouldn't be about the riots, just hours after they had major coverage of the riots.

And Obama talked about the riots! How dare he!
 
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MSNBC went complet clown-car a few years ago.
 
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Kepler said:
There are lots of people who love these incidents -- and wait for them for an excuse to unleash a load of racist bile. They don't give two craps about the property damage (which happened to black people) or the personal injuries (ditto) or the trickle down effects of business closures, insurance hikes, drying up of retail services, etc. They just want a socially acceptable way to wail garbage that equates to the n word as loudly as they can.
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Spot on.
 
Gurtholfin said:
MSNBC went complet clown-car a few years ago.
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Probably the day they named Ed Schultz as a headliner. Most of us in North Dakota were like, "wait a minute. The same Ed Schultz who could barely read high school basketball scores off a TelePrompTer, that Ed Schultz?"
 
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Gurtholfin said:
MSNBC went complet clown-car a few years ago.
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i've not turned them on for years..... until 6p tonight.

and the rev al sharpton sounds like he is the anchor.

clown car indeed :D
 
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Gurtholfin said:
MSNBC went complet clown-car a few years ago.
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MSNBC is supposedly the liberal answer to Faux "News" because of the prime time shows, but if you watch during the daytime it's almost as conservative as Faux. You think Mrs. Greenspan is spouting left-wing talking points? Never mind that the morning show is a former GOP congressman...
Have no idea if they've gotten better, but back when I was watching they had production values that would make high school A/V clubs blush.
 
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