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Cooperstown 2013 - who's in?

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jen

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I tried to come up with a clever steroid-related title, but I haven't finished my coffee yet.

The 2013 HOF class will be announced today. Who's in? Who's not? Who's being punished? And for how long?

<a href="http://baseballhall.org/news/press-releases/baseball-writers%27-association-america-election-results-revealed-wednesday-jan-9">Here's the candidates</a> with their 2012 percentage in parenthesis:

Sandy Alomar Jr.
Jeff Bagwell (56.0%)
Craig Biggio
Barry Bonds
Jeff Cirillo
Royce Clayton
Roger Clemens
Jeff Conine
Steve Finley
Julio Franco
Shawn Green
Roberto Hernandez
Ryan Klesko
Kenny Lofton
Edgar Martinez (36.5%)
Don Mattingly (17.8%)
Fred McGriff (23.9%)
Mark McGwire (19.5%)
Jose Mesa
Jack Morris (66.7%)
Dale Murphy (14.5%)
Rafael Palmeiro (12.6%)
Mike Piazza
Tim Raines (48.7%)
Reggie Sanders
Curt Schilling
Aaron Sele
Lee Smith (50.6%)
Sammy Sosa
Mike Stanton
Alan Trammell (36.8%)
Larry Walker (22.9%)
Todd Walker
David Wells
Rondell White
Bernie Williams (9.6%)
Woody Williams
 
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Re: Cooperstown 2013 - who's in?

btw, I think Bonds and Clemens are shoo-ins, but not this year.

I don't think Sosa and McGwire will ever get in.

I think Morris, probably Biggio and maybe Raines will get in this year (cocaine is not performance-enhancing :p)
 
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Re: Cooperstown 2013 - who's in?

Maybe Morris. Maybe Biggio. That's it this year, judging by what I've heard and read the past few days.
 
Re: Cooperstown 2013 - who's in?

Bagwell, Biggio and Piazza I'd send in. While they could have been on 'roids I have no evidence of that so I'd put them in. I'd also send Raines, Morris, and Lee Smith.

Lastly as much as I despise Barry Bonds and think his #'s from 1998 on should be wiped off the record books sorta like how the NCAA did to Paterno, I'd reluctantly put him in even though he's a known juicer. His #'s prior to that get him in. Clemens also.

No Sosa, no Palmerio, no McGwire. IMO these guys would have been out of the league were it not for the juice.
 
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Baseball Think Factory's "Exit Poll" is predicting nobody will get in this year based on the votes they've compiled from writers who've made their ballots public, with Biggio the closest at ~71%.

For what it's worth, while I love Biggio as much as the next guy, and think he should be a shoe-in along with a bunch of these other players, I think it's ridiculous for the writers to be on this PED witch-hunt where they want to disqualify everything that happened between ~1995 and ~2004 (Bonds at less than 50%? Clemens below Morris? Seriously? And, I mean, these are guys I can't stand but still can't disagree with on merit.) and just sorta gloss over the fact that Bigs had his best home run seasons at ages 38 and 39 simply because he wasn't visually huge like some of the guys who are commonly viewed as having used. If you want guys who are indisputably (if there is such a thing) clean, you need to vote for Raines and Trammell and Murphy, not the smaller guys from the PED era.
 
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For what it's worth, if I had a vote, it would be going to Bagwell, Biggio, Bonds, Clemens, McGwire, Piazza, Raines, Schilling, Trammell. Maybe also Larry Walker.
 
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I go back and forth on the steroid-era guys. We know about some who used, but I think it is difficult to say that the others definitely did not use in an era of pervasive cheating. I guess I'm in favor of voting in the cheaters, eventually, since they were the best of their era. And since eras can't be compared one to the other anyway, that argument is moot to me.
 
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jmh said:
For what it's worth, if I had a vote, it would be going to Bagwell, Biggio, Bonds, Clemens, McGwire, Piazza, Raines, Schilling, Trammell. Maybe also Larry Walker.
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Walker has about as much of a chance as I do.

Bagwell, Biggio, Raines, and Piazza.
 
Re: Cooperstown 2013 - who's in?

No one gets in.

Biggio got over 68%. Morris got over 67%
 
Hammer said:
No one gets in.

Biggio got over 68%. Morris got over 67%
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Not sure what the problem is on Biggio. 3,000 hits and no rumors of steroid use would seem to me to be a one way ticket in especially if voters are torn over putting the juicers in. Regardless he's close enough to make it in the next couple of years. I wonder if Morris will pull a Blyleven/Rice and get the last few votes he needs on his last try next year.
 
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Biggio probably suffered from the "not a firs ballot hof" syndrome.
 
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I'm no fan of the HOF after their unconscionable treatment of Ron Santo (Bill James says he was one of the 100 greatest players of all time)*. And they finally got around to voting the guy in--after he died. Nice. Anyway, IMO, you can't have these records in the book and the people who set them not in the Hall. Baseball has to deal with a generation of drug enhanced stars, many of whom would probably have made it to the Hall anyway. My solution for Pete Rose has always been posthumous induction (you just can't keep 4,000 hits out). That may be a solution for some of the juicers. If not posthumous, when they're in their dotage.

*"If I were in control of the Hall of Fame selections, the first player I would choose would be Ron Santo."

--Bill James, "Politics of Glory"
 
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Old Pio said:
I'm no fan of the HOF after their unconscionable treatment of Ron Santo (Bill James says he was one of the 100 greatest players of all time). And they finally got around to voting the guy in--after he died. Nice. Anyway, IMO, you can't have these records in the book and the people who set them not in the Hall. Baseball has to deal with a generation of drug enhanced stars, many of whom would probably have made it to the Hall anyway. My solution for Pete Rose has always been posthumous induction (you just can't keep 4,000 hits out). That may be a solution for some of the juicers. If not posthumous, when they're in their dotage.
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BINGO!!! They get in, but just will never reap the benefit(s).
 
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What exactly are the benefits? 10% off at Steak n' Shake? An American Express Black Platinum HoF Special Edition card? Free rein of the chocolate fountain at Golden Coral? Or is it like the Stone Cutters and the benefits are very hush hush?
 
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Dirty said:
What exactly are the benefits? 10% off at Steak n' Shake? An American Express Black Platinum HoF Special Edition card? Free rein of the chocolate fountain at Golden Coral? Or is it like the Stone Cutters and the benefits are very hush hush?
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The ability of the person to put "HOF" after their signature at some card show. They're denied the glory.
 
Dirty said:
What exactly are the benefits? 10% off at Steak n' Shake? An American Express Black Platinum HoF Special Edition card? Free rein of the chocolate fountain at Golden Coral? Or is it like the Stone Cutters and the benefits are very hush hush?
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First rule of hof benefits is there are no hof benefits.
 
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Dirty said:
What exactly are the benefits? 10% off at Steak n' Shake? An American Express Black Platinum HoF Special Edition card? Free rein of the chocolate fountain at Golden Coral? Or is it like the Stone Cutters and the benefits are very hush hush?
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Steak n' Shake, mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
 
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