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Kepler said:
I thought it was as "great" a night as you're going to get when you have about 30 speakers.
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I thought the convention was quite good yet not great after the first night...with topical content coming up a bit short on business/economy.

Bill Clinton fixed that. The dems have now had a great first two nights.
 
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5mn_Major said:
I thought the convention was quite good yet not great after the first night...with topical content coming up a bit short on business/economy.

Bill Clinton fixed that. The dems have now had a great first two nights.
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I thought the second night was General Products' #4* hull up until Bill started. Then he did his thing and basically the rest of the night was forgotten.

* Fitting since the Ryan speech was The Lying Bastard
 
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Good speech by the old boy. I too had the same feeling, which is that Clinton should be serving his 5th term right now! Amazing how he can go double his allotted time and nobody cares.

I have noticed a total difference in themes though. The GOP convention was about returning to a past time. Retrying policies that had already been tried before, or bringing social issues back to an earlier era. Maybe that's a winner. We'll find out soon enough. The Dem convention was a lot more about where we're going in the future. Interesting difference.
 
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5mn_Major said:
Any reservations Clinton had due to 2008 disagreements were washed away by memories of the GOP witch hunts of his last years.

I have no doubt that he was as behind this speech as one could be.

"No president, not me, not any of my predecessors, no one could have fully repaired all the damage that he found in just four years".
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And yet, he thought he could, and even guaranteed it. Sorry, Frank Marshall Davis, but socialism only lasts as long as there is other people's money to take. Once that's gone, you're screwed.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
And yet, he thought he could, and even guaranteed it. Sorry, Frank Marshall Davis, but socialism only lasts as long as there is other people's money to take. Once that's gone, you're screwed.
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We're not a socialist country and Obama isn't a socialist. No matter how many times you say it it isn't true.
 
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Old Pio said:
Where was Hillary? Making the world safe for 2016?
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Recent tendency is Sec State doesn't attend the convention for the party in power to keep the chain of command available if the thing gets nuked.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
We're not a socialist country and Obama isn't a socialist. No matter how many times you say it it isn't true.
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Why are more and more people going on food stamps? Why are government organizations encouraging it by placing numerous PSAs about how to get your food stamps? Why is the government trying to mandate health care? Why are unemployment insurance requirements to actually be looking for work being lifted? Why is energy output being stripped to the brink of the country's failure?

We are becoming a socialist country and Obama is a socialist. No matter how many times you deny it, it is true.
 
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Rover said:
Good speech by the old boy. I too had the same feeling, which is that Clinton should be serving his 5th term right now! Amazing how he can go double his allotted time and nobody cares.

I have noticed a total difference in themes though. The GOP convention was about returning to a past time. Retrying policies that had already been tried before, or bringing social issues back to an earlier era. Maybe that's a winner. We'll find out soon enough. The Dem convention was a lot more about where we're going in the future. Interesting difference.
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Nostalgia is the yearning for a Golden Age that "always is and never was." Life was simple when we were children and so we view the past with sepia tones and think it was better. It wasn't. It has always been hard to be an adult. If you actually go back and read what people were saying and doing at any given time life has always been hard. The "innocent time" the GOP hankers for was one where people were terrified every day the world was going to end in nuclear apocalypse, racism was virulent, and gays and women were mocked if they ever stepped out of their assigned social roles. Screw that -- I'd rather try to make the real world better than try and crawl back into a fictional womb.
 
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Kepler said:
Nostalgia is the yearning for a Golden Age that "always is and never was." Life was simple when we were children and so we view the past with sepia tones and think it was better. It wasn't. It has always been hard to be an adult. If you actually go back and read what people were saying and doing at any given time life has always been hard. The "innocent time" the GOP hankers for was one where people were terrified every day the world was going to end in nuclear apocalypse, racism was virulent, and gays and women were mocked if they ever stepped out of their assigned social roles. Screw that -- I'd rather try to make the real world better than try and crawl back into a fictional womb.
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Turning into what was behind the iron curtain is not going to be the way. We are not becoming part of a new world order.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
Why are more and more people going on food stamps? Why are government organizations encouraging it by placing numerous PSAs about how to get your food stamps? Why is the government trying to mandate health care? Why are unemployment insurance requirements to actually be looking for work being lifted? Why is energy output being stripped to the brink of the country's failure?

We are becoming a socialist country and Obama is a socialist. No matter how many times you deny it, it is true.
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Thank you Dr. Talking points.

You should have listened to Clinton's speech last night. None of what you've said is true. Especially the welfare to work thing which was massively distorted by Romney and his team.
 
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There was a good drinking game associated with The Bob Newhart Show: every time a character said "Bob" you had to take a drink. Of course, if they had people visiting, then you'd get smashed quickly ("Bob would you get the door?" "Oh, hi, Bob." "Bob, this is my date, date, this is Bob.")

I had a flashback to that thought when I contemplated Obama's speech tonight. I'll bet y'all that if I had the video resources, I could reconstruct the speech he'll give tonight by splicing together speeches he's already given before. I'd say that the chances that he'll say anything new are about 0.1%; every phrase he utters he's probably used before.





on an unrelated tangent; the Democrats omitted the word "God" from their platform, and when they went to take a roll-call vote to include it, the 'nays' out-shouted the 'ayes' three times. Then the chair ignored the vote entirely to declare the 'ayes' somehow carried the vote, and was roundly booed.
 
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The most impressive part of Clinton's speech was how he successfully staked a claim for the political center by listing his accomplishments working with Republicans. Didn't hurt he subtly was able to fold Eisenhower, Reagan, and possibly a few other Republicans (there was a football game on and it was a long speech ;) so I was clicking) into the speech.

While Clinton's speech rallied the troops is was most definitely aimed at the undecided. He really can give a hell of a speech.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Thank you Dr. Talking points.

You should have listened to Clinton's speech last night. None of what you've said is true. Especially the welfare to work thing which was massively distorted by Romney and his team.
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Then why, when you are on unemployment, are you no longer required to submit proof of submitting two job application forms each week, whether paper or electronic?
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
Then why, when you are on unemployment, are you no longer required to submit proof of submitting two job application forms each week, whether paper or electronic?
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Those exceptions were asked for by Republican Governors. You'll have to ask them.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Those exceptions were asked for by Republican Governors. You'll have to ask them.
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Which specific cabinet members or governors (if unemployment insurance truly is a state issue, fund provision bullying does not constitute a state issue) were directly involved in these exceptions? Your "Blame Republicans" rhetoric has been a broken record for the past few years.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
Which specific cabinet members or governors (if unemployment insurance truly is a state issue, fund provision bullying does not constitute a state issue) were directly involved in these exceptions? Your "Blame Republicans" rhetoric has been a broken record for the past few years.
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It's been fact checked.
Where it didn't come from is Washington but rather from Utah, Nevada, California, Connecticut and Minnesota.

These states, some with Republican governors, asked the federal government for more flexibility in how they hand out welfare dollars. Their purpose was to spend less time on federal paperwork and more time experimenting with ways to connect welfare recipients with jobs.

The Obama administration cooperated, granting waivers to some states from some of the existing rules.

The waivers gave "those states some flexibility in how they manage their welfare rolls as long as it produced 20% increases in the number of people getting work."

In some small way, the waivers might change precisely how work is calculated but the essential goal of pushing welfare recipients to work -- something both Democrats and Republicans agreed to in the 1990s -- remains the same.
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http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/23/politics/fact-check-welfare/index.html

But you go on believing whatever the liars tell you.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
It's been fact checked.


http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/23/politics/fact-check-welfare/index.html

But you go on believing whatever the liars tell you.
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OK, so states asked for the change. That doesn't mean they get it. However, according to the quotation you just posted, paragraph 3, it was the Obama Administration itself, I would assume Ms. Hilda Solis, that granted waivers, meaning that the determination truly is a federal issue.

Also, it said only SOME had GOP representation, which we know in some states is not the same as the National GOP, just as how some Democrats (especially in the south) are not National Democrats but rather Dixiecrats.
 
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I have to laugh at knuckledraggers desperately clinging to the change in the Dems platform as some sort of "game changer". What a bunch of wishful thinking. All the coverage today is about Clinton driving a stake in to the hearts of knuckledraggers the world over, showing Ryan to be a lying weasel, McConnell a corrupt partisan idiot and Mittens a dinosaur from an earlier era.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
Which specific cabinet members or governors (if unemployment insurance truly is a state issue, fund provision bullying does not constitute a state issue) were directly involved in these exceptions? Your "Blame Republicans" rhetoric has been a broken record for the past few years.
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That's not a "blame Republicans" argument. Clearly shows that you're only hearing the talking points.

The Republican governors were working WITH Obama to come up with a solution that they think (and can prove) is more effective.

Polly want a cracker?
 
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