Convention junkies can obsess details here!

[bronconick]

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That's not where the cost savings are.

Well, no. The plan is to slut-shame all the women so they stay in the kitchen and stop having sex. Therefore, they won't have to deal with the 25 million new children on public assistance.

You're debating people who think Pleasantville was a documentary. You need to make these absurd leaps in logic.

 

[Rover]

Re: Convention junkies can obsess details here!

You're debating people who think Pleasantville was a documentary. You need to make these absurd leaps in logic.

That's funny!

Regarding the birth control, remember: A celibate not by choice person is generally a conservative....

 

[joecct]

Re: Convention junkies can obsess details here!

That's funny!

Regarding the birth control, remember: A celibate not by choice person is generally a conservative....

Sister Simone (and the rest of the Nuns on the Bus)??

 

[FreshFish]

Re: Convention junkies can obsess details here!

That's funny!

Regarding the birth control, remember: A celibate not by choice person is generally a conservative....

so if people who are not celibate by choice by definition are getting f^cked, then ... hmm....

 

[Rover]

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Funny how knucks' and the lamestream media always want to bring up the false narrative that Obama's supporters aren't enthusiastic this year....

Yet, turns out Bubba Clinton got more viewers than the opening game of the NFL season.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/...iewers-than-n-f-l-opener/?partner=rss&emc=rss

Also, Dems on par with 2008 ratings despite competing with football, while GOP is way down.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Convention junkies can obsess details here!

Wow.

 

[Old Pio]

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Funny how knucks' and the lamestream media always want to bring up the false narrative that Obama's supporters aren't enthusiastic this year....

Yet, turns out Bubba Clinton got more viewers than the opening game of the NFL season.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/...iewers-than-n-f-l-opener/?partner=rss&emc=rss

Also, Dems on par with 2008 ratings despite competing with football, while GOP is way down.[/QUOT

If Clinton (perfect fit for a convention furthering the meme of the mythical "war on women) and the NFL were the only choices last night then his ratings might be significant. Me, I was watching "The Big Sleep" on TCM.

"I did not have sex with that woman __________________" (fill in the blank)

 

[Old Pio]

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Wow.

Saw Stephanie (sp) Cutter denying there was any cockup whatsoeverandwhyareyoueveningbriningitup? 'Course she was the one who denied, absolutely, that anyone had suggested Romney was a felon. Then the audio of her saying exactly that showed up. Not exactly a credible source. But close enough for the Kool aid drinkers.

 

[unofan]

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fyp

You cannot seriously be arguing that birth control isn't cheaper than pregnancy.

 

[joecct]

You cannot seriously be arguing that birth control isn't cheaper than pregnancy.

Is promiscuity cheaper?

 

[5mn_Major]

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I am of the (probably unpopular) opinion that the conventions showed the true face of the parties and outlines arguably the best relationship between the two.

The DNC was full of positions and solutions to the challenges the country faces. Many of those are govt solutions...but those are not necessarily expensive nor often even costs...often just improvements. These are often updates that just bring us into the 21st century...I wouldn't underestimate countries like Singapore and how in tune they are with the modern global economy. And others such as the use of international diplomacy vs. rhetoric escalation of the right. The RNC was more vague and full of criticism. The media on the right has been largely negative for decades. I am of the opinion that 'right' media has shaped 'conservative' thought towards hyper critical while being less adept at identifying and implementing true solutions to our problems. Now this can be good as it represents a way of policing the actions of the dems who are putting together the solutions and innovating the country.

So the positions of dems is the derivation of solutions and taking action as a party in power. The position of the GOP on the outside is specializing in critical governance to moderate dem activity and help to reduce govt spending. The hope in this dems in power/GOP in police mode is that the GOP successfully reigns Dem spending, that Dems get us to the right govt revenue and that the GOP doesn't stop every solution that the Dems put into place.

 

[Kepler]

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I am of the (probably unpopular) opinion that the conventions showed the true face of the parties and outlines arguably the best relationship between the two.

The DNC was full of positions and solutions to the challenges the country faces. Many of those are govt solutions...but those are not necessarily expensive nor often even costs...often just improvements. These are often updates that just bring us into the 21st century...I wouldn't underestimate countries like Singapore and how in tune they are with the modern global economy. And others such as the use of international diplomacy vs. rhetoric escalation of the right. The RNC was more vague and full of criticism. The media on the right has been largely negative for decades. I am of the opinion that 'right' media has shaped 'conservative' thought towards hyper critical while being less adept at identifying and implementing true solutions to our problems. Now this can be good as it represents a way of policing the actions of the dems who are putting together the solutions and innovating the country.

So the positions of dems is the derivation of solutions and taking action as a party in power. The position of the GOP on the outside is specializing in critical governance to moderate dem activity and help to reduce govt spending. The hope in this dems in power/GOP in police mode is that the GOP successfully reigns Dem spending, that Dems get us to the right govt revenue and that the GOP doesn't stop every solution that the Dems put into place.

I don't get the Singapore reference, but otherwise I agree. It's a strong Structural Functionalist argument, if anybody out there remembers 20th century Sociology (or for that matter, the 20th century ).

The difference between the Obama '08 and '12 speeches was similarly functional. In '08 it was an inspiring, lofty stem-winder to move people to the challenger. In '12 it was a completely safe reassertion of basic American values to hold people with the incumbent.

 

[FreshFish]

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You cannot seriously be arguing that birth control isn't cheaper than pregnancy.

Where did you come up with that??? Nowhere near close to the subject of the conversation.



The cost to manufacture and distribute birth control pills is the same whether you pay for them out of pocket or whether your insurance company pays for them.

 

[Gurtholfin]

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Is promiscuity cheaper?

 

[unofan]

Re: Convention junkies can obsess details here!

Where did you come up with that??? Nowhere near close to the subject of the conversation.



The cost to manufacture and distribute birth control pills is the same whether you pay for them out of pocket or whether your insurance company pays for them.

But the point is that if you cover birth control under insurance, you save money by having fewer pregnancies.

Is promiscuity cheaper?

Wanting to have sex with my wife without having kids makes me promiscuous?

Nice try, but no.

 

[FreshFish]

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But the point is that if you cover birth control under insurance, you save money by having fewer pregnancies.

That's fine, though it seems weird that you consider pregnancy an "illness" that people need to be vaccinated against!

The issue is not one of choice, it is oneof compulsion against religious beliefs. Forcing religious organizations to dispense abortifacient drugs to their employees has nothing to do with fewer pregnancies; by definition abortifacients are only used after pregnancy has already occurred.

There are several religious organizations that are perfectly fine with preventive birth control that also are against abortion that have joined the lawsuit against HHS.

 

[Jon]

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None of you are addressing the important question: did the DNC beat "Honey Boo Boo"?

 

[Gurtholfin]

Re: Convention junkies can obsess details here!

None of you are addressing the important question: did the DNC beat "Honey Boo Boo"?

Not in my house.


Now don't that just crack yer yaller?

 

[bronconick]

Re: Convention junkies can obsess details here!

That's fine, though it seems weird that you consider pregnancy an "illness" that people need to be vaccinated against!

The issue is not one of choice, it is oneof compulsion against religious beliefs. Forcing religious organizations to dispense abortifacient drugs to their employees has nothing to do with fewer pregnancies; by definition abortifacients are only used after pregnancy has already occurred.

There are several religious organizations that are perfectly fine with preventive birth control that also are against abortion that have joined the lawsuit against HHS.

 

[unofan]

Re: Convention junkies can obsess details here!

That's fine, though it seems weird that you consider pregnancy an "illness" that people need to be vaccinated against!

The issue is not one of choice, it is oneof compulsion against religious beliefs.

Which has what to do with the fact that you were wrong and scooby was right that covering birth control can be a cost savings measure?

If you want to shift the argument, or move the goalposts, fine. But admit you were wrong first.