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Conspiracy Theory Du Jour

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I always thought the most interesting thing about Joannides was that the CIA summoned him out of retirement to serve as agency liaison to the House Select Committee on Assassinations regarding JFK in 1978. If Joannides did know where the bodies were buried, wasn't it convenient for him that he was in control of information flow to the HSCA from CIA...

Exactly. When Bob Blakey discovered Joannides' role in a domestic operation to subvert the hsca he changed his tune. He's very angry now, he was lied to and say the agency should be investigated for disrupting, and obstructing a due and proper investigation by congress.

His statement on Joannides and CIA obstruction was read by Dan Hardway at the beginning of this video and ****, it explains a lot. I've never known Blakey to be this angry
https://youtu.be/OmRhdOvzyQQ
 
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Well, it's good to know Flaggy has company on the loony train based on the last few days in this thread...
 
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Yeah, except he's changed his tune. Up until this year he felt they were lied to by the agencies and was calling for the release of everything.

Quick note in this because it's important. Tunheim marked documents NBR not believed relavent. We now know the files of George Joannides were designated nbr.

Who is George Joannides? The psychological warfare expert hand picked by Richard helms to be case officer for the DRE Cuban student group that confronted Oswald in New Orleans and who counted Carlos bringier as a leader. They were paid $51,000 a month by the agency which is close to $400,000 in today's dollars. Why is this important? The CIA assets confront Oswald, debate him on radio and tv, all the while Oswald is chumming with FBIagents and men like bannister, Ferrie and Shaw all uber right wingers. Then the Cubans call radio and tv on 11-22 to inform Oswald was a commie. Joannides had an apt in New Orleans in summer of 63 when this took place.
So CIA officer has his assets confront, debate then inform on Oswald post-assassination and this is a not believed relavent story/man?

Tunheim didn't know what he was looking at. And he freely admits the CIA lied to him about Joannides. Also admits the secret service destroyed their protection plan notes when his arrb requested them.

You see, the truth IS out there.

Just because he felt he was lied to doesnt mean he thinks there was a clandestine conspiracy to kill the President. (and it certainly doesnt mean there was one) That isnt even jumping to conclusions that is leaping tall buildings in a single bound...

dx is right you do sound like the 9/11 truthers. No that doesnt mean you are a truther (which is how you seemed to interpret it) but you are selectively deciding what is considered fact and what is not, which sources are legit and which are not and not even entertaining the possibility that you are missing the forest from the trees.

Look do I think the CIA wanted Kennedy gone...sure. Do I think it is possible they might have put things in motion...I guess. Do I think a group that has a spotty record at assassination anyways (how did Castro die again?) was able to set up a massive coup de tat on an open street in the middle of the day in Dallas, TX in front of hundreds complete with multiple shooters, a ready made patsy, secret service help and even 50 years later no one has leaked anything? Nope! Christ we found out who Deep Throat was, we find out all sorts of things over the years because people talk...yet not one person has ever been identified legitimately (ignore the Warren Report in the years since not one dying declaration, not one family member embarrassed by a secret or finding a diary, not one drunk admitting it in the bar late night) as being part of the conspiracy. Unless this is like a cheesy movie where they killed everyone off who might have known then the chances that are true are ****ed near nil. The CIA has never been that good at keeping secrets...

Kep you bring up Occam's Razor, well take a step back. Which is more likely, that an entire Intelligence Apparatus killed a sitting President in broad day light and framed someone for it without anyone knowing or finding out later OR LHO was a nutjob with a gun and he shot the President and was too stupid not to get caught? Dont use your gut, use your brain.
 
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Yeah, Occam's Razor does NOT fall to the side of the conspiracy. It absolutely falls on the side of a lone wolf psycho. Just like every other entry on this list.
 
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Look do I think the CIA wanted Kennedy gone...sure. Do I think it is possible they might have put things in motion...I guess. Do I think a group that has a spotty record at assassination anyways (how did Castro die again?) was able to set up a massive coup de tat on an open street in the middle of the day in Dallas, TX in front of hundreds complete with multiple shooters, a ready made patsy, secret service help and even 50 years later no one has leaked anything? Nope! Christ we found out who Deep Throat was, we find out all sorts of things over the years because people talk...yet not one person has ever been identified legitimately (ignore the Warren Report in the years since not one dying declaration, not one family member embarrassed by a secret or finding a diary, not one drunk admitting it in the bar late night) as being part of the conspiracy. Unless this is like a cheesy movie where they killed everyone off who might have known then the chances that are true are ****ed near nil. The CIA has never been that good at keeping secrets...

This.

This is the number one reason I tend to ignore 100% complete cover up conspiracy theories. Human nature dictates that's impossible. Just look at all the political scandals that have broken over history. Almost all of them are revealed because someone eventually talks. Like you said, we even found out who Deep Throat was.
 
Just because he felt he was lied to doesnt mean he thinks there was a clandestine conspiracy to kill the President. (and it certainly doesnt mean there was one) That isnt even jumping to conclusions that is leaping tall buildings in a single bound...

dx is right you do sound like the 9/11 truthers. No that doesnt mean you are a truther (which is how you seemed to interpret it) but you are selectively deciding what is considered fact and what is not, which sources are legit and which are not and not even entertaining the possibility that you are missing the forest from the trees.

Look do I think the CIA wanted Kennedy gone...sure. Do I think it is possible they might have put things in motion...I guess. Do I think a group that has a spotty record at assassination anyways (how did Castro die again?) was able to set up a massive coup de tat on an open street in the middle of the day in Dallas, TX in front of hundreds complete with multiple shooters, a ready made patsy, secret service help and even 50 years later no one has leaked anything? Nope! Christ we found out who Deep Throat was, we find out all sorts of things over the years because people talk...yet not one person has ever been identified legitimately (ignore the Warren Report in the years since not one dying declaration, not one family member embarrassed by a secret or finding a diary, not one drunk admitting it in the bar late night) as being part of the conspiracy. Unless this is like a cheesy movie where they killed everyone off who might have known then the chances that are true are ****ed near nil. The CIA has never been that good at keeping secrets...

Kep you bring up Occam's Razor, well take a step back. Which is more likely, that an entire Intelligence Apparatus killed a sitting President in broad day light and framed someone for it without anyone knowing or finding out later OR LHO was a nutjob with a gun and he shot the President and was too stupid not to get caught? Dont use your gut, use your brain.

Read the quotes I posted from CIA officers. They admitted something else happened.

Re tunheim. Again, he missed an enormous piece to the puzzle right in front of him. CIA manipulation of Oswald in New Orleans and either didn't know what it meant or is still unsure.

I can only go off of released files, docs released by four, HSCA and church committee people.

Look, I'm not alone here. Short list of people who knew CIA was behind this: Jackie Kennedy, RFK, Charles DeGaulle, Fidel Castro, Frank Mankiewicz, Richard Nixon, Don Hewitt, Gary Hart, Richard Schwieker, Robert McNamara, Ted Sorensen, Adam Walinsky and more.
All inside the beltway people with knowledge.

All I can do is point you to the HSCA, Dan Hardway and ed Lopez. Even bob blakey now says there were shots out front
 
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Also, handy, dmnx et al I'm not trying to offend you guys, I'm very passionate about this subject and from the tone of chuck grassley, James Rosen and more there's a genuine outrage building here.

About Occam's razor.
Oswald eating lunch in break (verified by at least two co-workers) room 7-15 minutes prior to murder. But the motorcade was five minutes late and he had absolutely no way to know that. So really he would have been eating in there 2-10 minutes prior to the shooting.

2 separate witnesses see him in 2nd floor with coke 90 seconds after shooting, not sweating, not nervous in appearance. And 3 witnesses who took the stairs after the shooting to h ad down to the street saw no-one and heard no-one running down the stairs.
Did Oswald eat lunch and grab a coke? Or did he eat lunch casually, shoot the president and governor and then race down to grab a coke. Occam's razor.

I'll side with the congressional investigators and physical evidence like the limo, clothes, doctors notes, and the limited hangouts the CIA men have later: Angleton, Phillips, hunt, morales
 
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Are you sure? JFK must have tweeted about the huge crowds and the delay to see him
 
According to a stoner friend of mine, the Department of Defense is going to disrupt the power grid with an EMP.

For sources, no link or anything, but there is an angry old man yelling about it on Facebook.
 
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According to a stoner friend of mine, the Department of Defense is going to disrupt the power grid with an EMP.

For sources, no link or anything, but there is an angry old man yelling about it on Facebook.

If you are lucky it will disrupt his internet and he will go away.
 
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... we find out all sorts of things over the years because people talk...

I know someone (an engineer) that likes to say that law enforcement's greatest fear is engineers gone against the law. Why? Well, because of the reasons criminals get caught. Criminals are stupid and they talk, they brag. So why is law enforcement afraid of an engineer gone bad? Well, engineers aren't stupid ... and they don't have any friends to tell. :D
 
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I'm telling y'all* that line from MiB (the first one) about the tabloids being "the hot sheets" isn't quite accurate.

I found out about the DoD "EMP scenario" above listening to late night paranormal/conspiracy talk radio. The "hot sheets" there are ...

Coast to Coast AM
Ground Zero
Darkness Radio
Spaceman

I'm tellin' ya, if you're driving at night those won't let you fall asleep, and you'll "learn" a whole lot. :D ;)


*Sorry for the y'all, I'm feeling a little "southern" as I recently spent time in the South, like south of Havana, and Cuba, ... Havana and Cuba, North Dakota, that is ... like in South Dakota. That's "the South" isn't it? :D
 
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if you're driving at night those won't let you fall asleep, and you'll "learn" a whole lot.

Having done a lot of night driving in my time, before satellite radio, when the only stations you could pick up outside of civilization (aka, west of Buffalo and east of California) were firebrand gospel and the Fort Wayne Komets, when one of those shows winks in around 2 a.m. and you've been driving for 9 hours and you go ten minutes at a stretch without seeing any other vehicle on the road, the really good personalities get spooky, especially the ones who straddle the line between preacher and UFOlogy. They've gotten too slick, now, but in the beginning guys like Gene Scott and even early Art Bell could raise the hair on the back of your neck.
 
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I have a friend of the family who said that he won't ever go to Disneyworld because it's a breeding ground for pedophiles for the people who work there, all the while forgetting that I worked there. :rolleyes:
 
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