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Conspiracy Theories: JFK, RFK, and Stevie Wonder Can See!

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The Sicatoka said:
Following the Constitutional process is not a coup. Will they?
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Um, if they don't then nothing happens. That's pretty simple.

I know somebody supporting a party that worships pure power and doesn't give a crap about process and law will find this difficult to process, but we are a nation of laws. Removal due to 25A would proceed by Constitutional means or be struck down by the courts. In particular this Court. Or perhaps you'd like to re-litigate Bush v Gore?
 
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Kepler said:
Um, if they don't then nothing happens. That's pretty simple.
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But you've claimed the USG has removed a President (JFK) by non-A25* means once already.


*Yes, yes, A25 wasn't ratified in 1963, much less submitted to the States yet.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
But you've claimed the USG has removed a President (JFK) by non-A25* means once already.


*Yes, yes, A25 wasn't ratified in 1963, much less submitted to the States yet.
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The CIA murdered the President. In case you are wondering, I'm against that.
 
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This reminds me of a high school teacher I had who shared with us one day a book about a similar US Governement program, (if I recall correctly,) named Sun Streak where the author talked about his time in the program. Sort of a low-tech Matrix-y environment.

If anyone recalls the book of the US program, I'd be interested in reading it again.

*edit* A-ha! Either my Google-Fu is good this morning, or the black helicopters allowed my search to go through... :p :D David Morehouse's Psychic Warrior is the book.
 
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Very interesting article on Lisa Pease’s RFK book (ahem, looking at you Robert Maheu). In a nutshell, cia basically took over in the 60’s and no oversight since then save for representative Leo Ryan who was murdered for his efforts.

https://t.co/KswNxo0h5G
 
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solovsfett said:
save for representative Leo Ryan who was murdered for his efforts.
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The CIA murdered JFK and probably RFK, yes, obviously. It's possible they murdered MLK. Perhaps they just had a thing about TLAs.

Let's give the probabilities:

.95 JFK (I mean, duh)
.67 RFK
.50 MLK

But Ryan was murdered by Jim Jones. That may have been extremely good news for the CIA, but I see nothing to connect events. Sometimes the china breaks by itself.
 
Kepler said:
The CIA murdered JFK and probably RFK, yes, obviously. It's possible they murdered MLK. Perhaps they just had a thing about TLAs.

Let's give the probabilities:

.95 JFK (I mean, duh)
.67 RFK
.50 MLK

But Ryan was murdered by Jim Jones. That may have been extremely good news for the CIA, but I see nothing to connect events. Sometimes the china breaks by itself.
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There’s a video called Evidence Of Revision out on dvd where the argument is made that Jonestown was part of a cia program akin to mkultra and documents Jim jones as being an asset of the company not just in Jonestown but stretching back 20 years prior. They assert Leo Ryan was shot on the tarmac as Richard Dwyer (cia) left him by the plane.

I won’t state I unequivocally believe this because I have only this video to go on. But at this point with what i’m Reading now of post-jfk cia, I don’t discount anything.

Here is a link, you’ll need to forward a bit to get to Jonestown info.

https://youtu.be/nus9mnbvflM
 
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solovsfett said:
I won’t state I unequivocally believe this because I have only this video to go on. But at this point with what i’m Reading now of post-jfk cia, I don’t discount anything.
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It's called the burden of proof, not the burden of disproof.

I'm not saying the CIA wouldn't have murdered Ryan. Obviously, given they murdered the sitting president and their delusional Messianic complex, they'd murder anybody. But there can't just be means, motive, and opportunity -- all three of which, with the Agency in particular and the IC in general, will always be present. There must be evidence and parsimony. With Ryan, like with Malcolm, it is much simpler and more likely he was murdered by other actors with other motives.
 
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Here’s one, you may recall Michael Hastings’ Reporting on Iraq, particularly his book The Operators, took down general Stanley McChrystal. He was working a big story on John Brennan when he was killed, or, suffered a single car accident where, well...https://t.co/QOLe9ErPcq


60 minutes reported about 10 years ago people could hack cars. Vault7 from Wikileaks confirmed cia has this in their arsenal to dispose of people with no trace back to Langley. Is that what happened here? I have no idea.
 
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solovsfett said:
Here’s one, you may recall Michael Hastings’ Reporting on Iraq, particularly his book The Operators, took down general Stanley McChrystal. He was working a big story on John Brennan when he was killed, or, suffered a single car accident where, well...https://t.co/QOLe9ErPcq


60 minutes reported about 10 years ago people could hack cars. Vault7 from Wikileaks confirmed cia has this in their arsenal to dispose of people with no trace back to Langley. Is that what happened here? I have no idea.
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Nothing to it.
https://www.wired.com/2015/07/hackers-remotely-kill-jeep-highway/
 
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this is nothing new. how long ago was high anxiety made anyhows? poor dick van patten :(
 
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By "nothing to it" I mean taking over remote control of a car. (See link.)
 
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The Sicatoka said:
By "nothing to it" I mean taking over remote control of a car. (See link.)
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I got it, anyway.

I assume that while obviously they would murder anybody who threatened them there are way easier ways to do it.
 
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It's cute how conspiracy theorists believe thousands of people are in on faking a major event, such as man on the moon and 9/11.

Clearly, conspiracy theorists have never led a group project for school or have been a project manager. For me in my undergrad, getting 6 people to do their job was HARD.
 
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MissThundercat said:
It's cute how conspiracy theorists believe thousands of people are in on faking a major event, such as man on the moon and 9/11.

Clearly, conspiracy theorists have never led a group project for school or have been a project manager. For me in my undergrad, getting 6 people to do their job was HARD.
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And getting them not to b-tch about it is impossible.

The only way to have a good conspiracy is to involve as few people as possible and kill them off quickly as soon as possible.
 
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Kepler said:
And getting them not to b-tch about it is impossible.

The only way to have a good conspiracy is to involve as few people as possible and kill them off quickly as soon as possible.
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I agree 100% with what both you and MT have just posted on conspiracies, which is one of the reasons that I've been a bit skeptical to leap onto the Steven Avery is innocent bus in the Making a Murderer case. Yeah, I suppose it might be possible he's innocent, but many of the theories supporting it require the involvement of a lot of people conspiring against him. I don't have that much faith in Wisconsin residents to collectively do something that serious, that effectively, without one of them getting drunk and spilling the beans.
 
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