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College Football IV: The Hand over Fist Cash Grab Time, or Bowl Season for short.

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What does the NCAA care though? They lose nothing in all of this. Are people protesting and not watching or attending games? The NCAA only needs to pretend to care because the fans sure dont. No one holds the NCAAs feet to the fire, because nobody cares. That is why a player selling his jersey to an agent is suspended, but a player whose father asked for over a hundred grand from a school (and admitted it) is eligible to play for the National Title.

The only reason the NCAA will act on the Cam Newton case after the fact is that everyone knows the truth and the story will not go away. They will be forced to put the hammer of god down to pretend to show they care and still turn a blind eye to everything else that is going on. Now maybe Auburn will do what SMU did and start turning in other SEC programs for their violations which could cause a huge domino effect, but I doubt it. (unless the impossible happens and the SEC boots Auburn) Auburn will fall on the sword and the NCAA will get their big bust and next year no one will care.
 
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komey1 said:
I did - it was a very interesting show.

You do have to bet that they will never impose the "Death penalty" again. That pretty much killed SMU for a couple decades. Yet, it also seems obvious that teams are still cheating just as often as they were back then. We have the Cam Newton issues, the Reggie Bush issues, and problems at other universities over the years.
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The SEC schools never stopped cheating. That's just the culture in that region -- it's pervasive in everything.

The difference is the NCAA used to be dragged by their heels into investigating seriously because a large number of factory schools objected to the cheaters. Now the fix is in, the winning schools in the BCS conferences all cheat and assume their brethren cheat, and since the NCAA is only the voice of the big money producers they not only have no incentive to punish, they have an overt bias to look the other way or even assist in covering up, as appears to be happening here. When there is a punishment of Auburn, it won't be SMU but USC -- costly, but recoverable, and not ruining anybody else's scam. At worst they'll strip them of their title, but the decision makers don't care about titles, they care about dollars. A scandal now and then might even goose ratings.

Perhaps the 60 or so honest FBS teams could take a stand, but they have no leverage, since college football is owned and operated by television and all TV cares about is the money (and thus the cheaters), and anyway what does, say, Vandy stand to gain compared to what they would lose?
 
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Al Golden, Head Coach at Temple, expected to accept offer to coach at U of Miami.
 
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JF_Gophers said:
There's a downgrade in coaching.
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Huh? Golden is a very promising young coach. He resurrected Temple (Temple!) from the scrap heap and turned them into a respectable team. The same Temple that went 19-71 between '98 and '05 and was expelled from the Big East.
 
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To be fair, he resurrected them partially by removing Big East teams, Miami, etc from the schedule, and replacing them with MAC schools. Probably no better than a 5-6 win team this year in the worst BCS conference I've ever seen. Given the options available to Miami, he's still probably the best they could do. They're in deep crap recruiting wise this year, as I read that they have 4 commitments at the moment.

Malzahn's jumping to Vanderbilt. Oddsmakers on how badly Auburn will find themselves getting hammered by the NCAA adjust accordingly.
 
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I like Al Golden, that is a smart hire by Miami.

Malzahn leaving Auburn pretty much backs everything up that we believe. Auburn is going to fry. Hell the federal investigations going on are going to kill them with or without the Cam Newton BS.
 
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While I'm sure the Newton thing played a part, the cool $3 million a year that Vandy's offering probably helped.

Edit: On Golden, just saw a Pat Forde tweet saying he never beat a MAC team with a winning record.
 
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That is a lot of money...
 
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Where the hell is Vandy getting that kind of cash?
 
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bronconick said:
To be fair, he resurrected them partially by removing Big East teams, Miami, etc from the schedule, and replacing them with MAC schools. Probably no better than a 5-6 win team this year in the worst BCS conference I've ever seen. Given the options available to Miami, he's still probably the best they could do. They're in deep crap recruiting wise this year, as I read that they have 4 commitments at the moment.

Malzahn's jumping to Vanderbilt. Oddsmakers on how badly Auburn will find themselves getting hammered by the NCAA adjust accordingly.
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I'm not sure you're attributing that correctly. Golden didn't downgrade the schedule - Temple got kicked out of the Big East at the end of the 2004 season and played '05 and '06 as an independent. Golden didn't come on board until the '06 season.

I don't think that's on Golden, the school didn't really have a choice. Only a few schools can hack it as an independent.
 
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Patman said:
yeah, but it only pays for half the team
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Well that should get them the services of a Heisman candidate...just find some backup QB at an SEC school and get it going!
 
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blockski said:
I'm not sure you're attributing that correctly. Golden didn't downgrade the schedule - Temple got kicked out of the Big East at the end of the 2004 season and played '05 and '06 as an independent. Golden didn't come on board until the '06 season.

I don't think that's on Golden, the school didn't really have a choice. Only a few schools can hack it as an independent.
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It's not on him, but let's not compare him to the waves of coaches before him that couldn't win in the Big East. He's in a conference where he now has the largest football budget for 8 of his 12 games. It's not comparable. Indiana could dominate Conference USA, but a coach that does that probably shouldn't get full credit for turning that program around.
 
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I don't think you guys realize how bad it was at Temple...they got kicked out of the Big East...it takes some real effort to get kicked out of a conference. think of what it takes to turn around a program that was probably as close to the bottom as you can ever get...terrible location, terrible results, tiny fan base, 'nova taking the student athletes and JoePa taking the athlete athletes etc. Look at Golden's resume and it is pretty clear he has the pedigree, that he also could turn around the worst program in D1 (apparently without doing the Ron Meyer shuffle) gives reason to believe he will be successful in his career. He was rumored to be in line to replace Joe when they finally figure out he is already dead...Miami might have felt it was a stretch right now but the best choice for the long run.
 
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And I don't think you realize how mediocre the MAC is. Beating Akron, Kent State and Eastern Michigan while losing every game vs. a bowl eligible MAC school is unimpressive, especially when you have the most money in the MAC. Marshall dominated the conference to the point where they were usually ranked in the top 15, left for Conference USA and have gone to one bowl game in 6 years.

All those comments about how Auburn could go 12-0 and win every game 93-0 if they played Boise's schedule? Temple did that in a small way. They got booted from a BCS conference, where they were clearly overmatched and joined a conference where despite all those supposed disadvantages, they had the most resources available, usually had the best recruiting class in the conference, and lost every game vs. a winning conference opponent, went 4-27 vs. bowl eligible teams, won 0 division titles and 0 conference titles.

Miami chose him because other coaches realized that Miami's a **** job that has recruiting location and little else going for it. 35,000 fans in an NFL stadium across town, mediocre facilities, an administration that was so shamed by the 2006 fight with FIU that they deempisize football, a small alumni base that can't support the program to the degree FSU does, much less Florida, and fans that think that it's still the 1980s where the name of the "U" alone could bring in recruits.
 
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bronconick said:
And I don't think you realize how mediocre the MAC is. Beating Akron, Kent State and Eastern Michigan while losing every game vs. a bowl eligible MAC school is unimpressive, especially when you have the most money in the MAC. Marshall dominated the conference to the point where they were usually ranked in the top 15, left for Conference USA and have gone to one bowl game in 6 years.

All those comments about how Auburn could go 12-0 and win every game 93-0 if they played Boise's schedule? Temple did that in a small way. They got booted from a BCS conference, where they were clearly overmatched and joined a conference where despite all those supposed disadvantages, they had the most resources available, usually had the best recruiting class in the conference, and lost every game vs. a winning conference opponent, went 4-27 vs. bowl eligible teams, won 0 division titles and 0 conference titles.

Miami chose him because other coaches realized that Miami's a **** job that has recruiting location and little else going for it. 35,000 fans in an NFL stadium across town, mediocre facilities, an administration that was so shamed by the 2006 fight with FIU that they deempisize football, a small alumni base that can't support the program to the degree FSU does, much less Florida, and fans that think that it's still the 1980s where the name of the "U" alone could bring in recruits.
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All of that is great - none of it really tells you much about Golden's ability as a coach.

There's a littany of great coaches that had mediocre, if not awful results at previous jobs. Golden didn't just ressurect the Temple program, he saved it from the brink of being cut.
 
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The Big 10 will reveal its new logo and the names of the two division today at 11am CT. Try to contain your excitement.
 
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bronconick said:
And I don't think you realize how mediocre the MAC is. Beating Akron, Kent State and Eastern Michigan while losing every game vs. a bowl eligible MAC school is unimpressive, especially when you have the most money in the MAC. Marshall dominated the conference to the point where they were usually ranked in the top 15, left for Conference USA and have gone to one bowl game in 6 years.

All those comments about how Auburn could go 12-0 and win every game 93-0 if they played Boise's schedule? Temple did that in a small way. They got booted from a BCS conference, where they were clearly overmatched and joined a conference where despite all those supposed disadvantages, they had the most resources available, usually had the best recruiting class in the conference, and lost every game vs. a winning conference opponent, went 4-27 vs. bowl eligible teams, won 0 division titles and 0 conference titles.

Miami chose him because other coaches realized that Miami's a **** job that has recruiting location and little else going for it. 35,000 fans in an NFL stadium across town, mediocre facilities, an administration that was so shamed by the 2006 fight with FIU that they deempisize football, a small alumni base that can't support the program to the degree FSU does, much less Florida, and fans that think that it's still the 1980s where the name of the "U" alone could bring in recruits.
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Well, time will tell, I'm not saying Temple was ready to beat Oregon, only that when measuring a coach you have to look at what he is capable of...what you describe at Miami could be the exact reason they picked Golden, he has already had to 'save' a program...he has already had to recruit to a place with a worse location, worse facilities and maybe a few Thursday night TV games.

I don't think he was hired because Temple was the best team in the country, but because of what he did while he was there and what he had to work with...they need somebody capable of doing that at da U, he could be a better choice than somebody who only has experience in stable programs with every creature comfort.
 
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Spartanforlife4 said:
I'm not sure Cam could have made a worse word choice during his speech.

"I'd just like to thank my mother and father for all they've done behind the scenes."
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I didn't watch the ceremony, but if he really said that, it's hilarious!
 
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