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College Football IV: The Hand over Fist Cash Grab Time, or Bowl Season for short.

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WeWantMore said:
Army-Navy in half an hour. First time since 96 (I think?) that both teams will be going to a bowl game.
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But will it be as awesome as the '96 game was (still the greatest sporting event I've seen in person)? I think not.

Go Army! Beat Navy!
 
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So much for that whole coach-in-waiting thing.

Florida replaces Urban Meyer with <s>Dan Mullen</s> Texas Assistant Will Muschamp.
 
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Granted, I'm a FSU fan and tend to look for the worst in everything orange and blue, but you've gotta get a kick out of Florida announcing their new head coach right in the middle of Cam Newton's coronation of his Heisman Trophy rental.
 
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Anyone see the SMU 30 for 30? Probably the 2nd best one behind The U.
 
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I just thought it was funny that ESPN scheduled the "Pony Excess" documentary immediately following the Cam Newton Heisman Trophy presentation.
 
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Spartanforlife4 said:
Anyone see the SMU 30 for 30? Probably the 2nd best one behind The U.
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I did - it was a very interesting show.

You do have to bet that they will never impose the "Death penalty" again. That pretty much killed SMU for a couple decades. Yet, it also seems obvious that teams are still cheating just as often as they were back then. We have the Cam Newton issues, the Reggie Bush issues, and problems at other universities over the years.
 
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I'm not sure Cam could have made a worse word choice during his speech.

"I'd just like to thank my mother and father for all they've done behind the scenes."
 
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Spartanforlife4 said:
Anyone see the SMU 30 for 30? Probably the 2nd best one behind The U.
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Great storytelling. The director is a relative unknown, from what I understand. That was very well done.

The only 30 For 30 I'd put up with those two, off the top of my head, was the one on the Baltimore Colts band. And that struck a personal chord with me, as my pro football team was close to moving away in the early 90s.
 
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Eh, if they tossed it out a little more, and at the big schools, then you would start seeing a lot more schools shape up. Maybe not as severe of a penalty as what SMU got, but eh, a year canceled would totally shred a big time power school like say an Alabama, Texas or an Ohio State. The kids found not to be in violation of the rules would be allowed to transfere out to other schools not within their own conference at no penalty. But the kids who stay and were clean would be able to count that year as a redshirt year, even if they already used a redshirt year.
 
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bigmrg74 said:
Eh, if they tossed it out a little more, and at the big schools, then you would start seeing a lot more schools shape up. Maybe not as severe of a penalty as what SMU got, but eh, a year canceled would totally shred a big time power school like say an Alabama, Texas or an Ohio State. The kids found not to be in violation of the rules would be allowed to transfere out to other schools not within their own conference at no penalty. But the kids who stay and were clean would be able to count that year as a redshirt year, even if they already used a redshirt year.
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It's not going to happen because no one knows how much authority the NCAA really has, just like the major football powers aren't going to team up and create their own NFL minor league concept outside of the NCAA, because they don't know how far they can go without getting hit with anti-trust suits.

Now that everyone has seen what a death penalty does, any major school hit with it will take that sucker to court, because taking it without at least trying that option is pretty clearly going to cost hundreds of millions of dollars over the next 20 years.
 
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bigmrg74 said:
Eh, if they tossed it out a little more, and at the big schools, then you would start seeing a lot more schools shape up. Maybe not as severe of a penalty as what SMU got, but eh, a year canceled would totally shred a big time power school like say an Alabama, Texas or an Ohio State. The kids found not to be in violation of the rules would be allowed to transfere out to other schools not within their own conference at no penalty. But the kids who stay and were clean would be able to count that year as a redshirt year, even if they already used a redshirt year.
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I thought I saw that everyone was able to transfer. The only two that didn't were the two that couldn't play and turned SMU in. The rest of them, including that lineman that basically admitted getting paid, did keep playing.

Which brings up a question that I thought about to bring up on this board. A little more background- once again, last night it was pointed out that many of the people who were penalized were not the people involved in the wrongdoing. Players taking money just transferred, and perhaps some administrators lost their jobs, but the people bringing the money didn't lose a thing. Perhaps they lost access to SMU, but big deal- they are not supposed to be giving money directly anyway. One interesting note- if you leave before sanctions happen- you leave scott free- many coaches have shown this, and arguably- Reggie Bush didn't lose anything, besides a chunk of bronze- still getting paid millions based on his college play (and probably kept anything that may have been given).

So- how do you change the rules so that either this stops and the people really breaking the rules, the donors, get penalized, OR a system is set up to make it reasonably legal.

It was interesting to see the SMU students react- which one could easily see as overreaction based on available coverage.

I really enjoyed watching the movie. Watched it over the replay of the Big Chill.
 
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alfablue said:
So- how do you change the rules so that either this stops and the people really breaking the rules, the donors, get penalized, OR a system is set up to make it reasonably legal.
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You have to go after the players that you can, show them if you do get caught there can be sanctions that will affect you, and you have to go after the schools because in the end, they are the ones who have to police these things and take care of the culture.

Look, if you are going to be an amateur league then somebody has to make sure that amateurism is upheld because its very easy to go from "amateur" to "pro" with a few sponsors. Either its going to be centralized or decentralized. I actually think the compliance paradigm is the most reasonable but it is in the school's own interest to look away... and this is when they get into "problems" because its to their advantage to play "hear no evil, see no evil" like was done at Southern Cal.
 
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alfablue said:
I thought I saw that everyone was able to transfer. The only two that didn't were the two that couldn't play and turned SMU in. The rest of them, including that lineman that basically admitted getting paid, did keep playing.

Which brings up a question that I thought about to bring up on this board. A little more background- once again, last night it was pointed out that many of the people who were penalized were not the people involved in the wrongdoing. Players taking money just transferred, and perhaps some administrators lost their jobs, but the people bringing the money didn't lose a thing. Perhaps they lost access to SMU, but big deal- they are not supposed to be giving money directly anyway. One interesting note- if you leave before sanctions happen- you leave scott free- many coaches have shown this, and arguably- Reggie Bush didn't lose anything, besides a chunk of bronze- still getting paid millions based on his college play (and probably kept anything that may have been given).

So- how do you change the rules so that either this stops and the people really breaking the rules, the donors, get penalized, OR a system is set up to make it reasonably legal.

It was interesting to see the SMU students react- which one could easily see as overreaction based on available coverage.

I really enjoyed watching the movie. Watched it over the replay of the Big Chill.
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I wholly agree that the players/boosters that are causing the problems have little to fear in reporcussions... That is why that I feel the NCAA needs to make the schools fear the NCAA per se... The schools themselves are the ones making millions off of the program... They're the constant... Although the players are only there for 4 years, the money is constant... If the NCAA shows that they are willing to disrupt that, the schools will run a clean ship... The NCAA has the ability to make this a self policing effort... All they need to do is step up to the plate...
 
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RaceBoarder said:
I wholly agree that the players/boosters that are causing the problems have little to fear in reporcussions... That is why that I feel the NCAA needs to make the schools fear the NCAA per se... The schools themselves are the ones making millions off of the program... They're the constant... Although the players are only there for 4 years, the money is constant... If the NCAA shows that they are willing to disrupt that, the schools will run a clean ship... The NCAA has the ability to make this a self policing effort... All they need to do is step up to the plate...
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See, the problem is that everytime they "step up"- there seems to be a large group of people who say "if you are going to do this to us, what about them?" Even when the penalties are pretty severe- didn't USC give some money back? But Bush only lost a Heisman, which, at this point, is fairly irrelevant- he's still getting paid and he's going to keep the Super Bowl Ring. And what happens to the coaches- Coach Fisher left Michigan just as it was hitting the fan, but didn't have a problem getting a job. The school paid, but neither the coach or booster got serious sanctions.

For the NCAA to do something, all of the schools are going to have to be willing to clean house- theirs and their buddies. I don't think that's going to happen any time soon.
 
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alfablue said:
For the NCAA to do something, all of the schools are going to have to be willing to clean house- theirs and their buddies. I don't think that's going to happen any time soon.
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Then all we're going to see is an escalating problem because there are no consequences.
 
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alfablue said:
See, the problem is that everytime they "step up"- there seems to be a large group of people who say "if you are going to do this to us, what about them?" Even when the penalties are pretty severe- didn't USC give some money back? But Bush only lost a Heisman, which, at this point, is fairly irrelevant- he's still getting paid and he's going to keep the Super Bowl Ring. And what happens to the coaches- Coach Fisher left Michigan just as it was hitting the fan, but didn't have a problem getting a job. The school paid, but neither the coach or booster got serious sanctions.

For the NCAA to do something, all of the schools are going to have to be willing to clean house- theirs and their buddies. I don't think that's going to happen any time soon.
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That is why I think that the NCAA needs to scare the schools into cleaning up the act... If the schools know that the wrath of God is going to come down on them if they have issues, they are going to prevent said issues from happening... I know that there is inconsistency in the current situation... That's why the NCAA needs to lay down the law now... Of that happens, you will see "dirty" coaches start to be black listed... No school is going to put banishment ahead of going 7-5... You are still making oddles of cash at 7-5 vs sitting out a year...
 
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