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College Football III: We may lose, but we keep the score close!

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Terrierbyassociation said:
USC doesn't know about Bush until he leaves...but Auburn should get the same punishment even though they at worst knew he was ineligible and kept playing him? Bull****. Auburn should get double the punishment.
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I said AT MINIMUM. Meaning, if the NCAA chickens out of hammering them like they should do.

If the truth is the pay-for-play scheme speculated about or something close to it, I think they should get the death penalty, or something in the neighborhood.
 
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Terrierbyassociation said:
USC doesn't know about Bush until he leaves...but Auburn should get the same punishment even though they at worst knew he was ineligible and kept playing him? Bull****. Auburn should get double the punishment.
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USC knew about it before hand, don't kid yourself. I wouldn't be shocked if they acted as intermediaries for the whole **** thing.
 
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You wont convince TBA of that so dont try...to him USC = Tony Dungy to Gopher Football fans! ;)
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
USC knew about it before hand, don't kid yourself. I wouldn't be shocked if they acted as intermediaries for the whole **** thing.
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Have you read the NCAA report? Unlike Mr. Hoity Toity, I've read the whole thing. The entire thing rests on whether one coach, the RB coach knew. The NCAA claimed the RB coach did know, the problem was...even their star witness couldn't lie under oath and say he had. He said he had to have known...even though he didn't.

Bush drove a Chevy Impala or something like that on campus. He came from a dual income household (in fact his mother still works for the county.) It wasn't unreasonable for him to be driving a car worth 10 grand.

And way to be a dink, the guy that paid Bush was a slimy fellow who was an ex-con. He wasn't a booster. This situation is much worse, this is Newton's dad selling his kid's services off to the highest bidder...to boosters.

USC gained no advantage by Bush being paid, they were held to an ex post facto standard that they *should* have known because Bush was high profile.

Such an argument does not work for Auburn since they got his services simply because they DID pay for him to come to their school and play football. Advantage gained. Unless you believe that Daddy Newton wanted money from Miss State but not from Auburn.
 
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I think Craig's right in that they'll get hammered equal to USC or worse, primarily because the FBI is investigating AU boosters for unrelated gambling and banking issues, and those wiretaps are pulling things up that normally the NCAA wouldn't be able to find in their investigations, given their lack of actual authority to do so. Hell, it might pull up more on Alabama before their investigation is done.

Say what you want about Alabama's book issues, FSU's online classes, or USC's Reggie Bush, none of them had the Feds poking around.
 
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bronconick said:
I think Craig's right in that they'll get hammered equal to USC or worse, primarily because the FBI is investigating AU boosters for unrelated gambling and banking issues, and those wiretaps are pulling things up that normally the NCAA wouldn't be able to find in their investigations, given their lack of actual authority to do so. Hell, it might pull up more on Alabama before their investigation is done.

Say what you want about Alabama's book issues, FSU's online classes, or USC's Reggie Bush, none of them had the Feds poking around.
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That's a good point. If true that there's potentially a lot more material that will be dug up by the FBI than would be the case with a normal NCAA investigation, this thing could really get big. Like, you wonder if there were some number of other schools that offered Newton money, but couldn't outbid Auburn (assuming that's what happened, which is still in dispute of course)? If so, this could take down a number of schools beyond Auburn. Who knows, Cam Newton might be best remembered as the man who took down the SEC, or a large part thereof. This thing just gets more messy, and interesting, by the day.
 
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Handyman said:
You wont convince TBA of that so dont try...to him USC = Tony Dungy to Gopher Football fans! ;)
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You weren't kidding. Cripes. He actually believes USC had no part in this. rofl.
 
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I think USC was pretty canny about the Reggie Bush thing and the cheating during the Carroll era generally. They basically stuck their head in the sand and willfully ignored any sign that there was hanky-panky going on. Regardless of whether they did know, I think only the most ardent of SC fans would disagree that they should have known (or at least investigated a bit).
 
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The U of M hired an alum with a Chemical Engineering PhD from the U to run the place. Best decision ever. :D :D :D :D Seriously.
 
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Bob Gray said:
That's a good point. If true that there's potentially a lot more material that will be dug up by the FBI than would be the case with a normal NCAA investigation, this thing could really get big. Like, you wonder if there were some number of other schools that offered Newton money, but couldn't outbid Auburn (assuming that's what happened, which is still in dispute of course)? If so, this could take down a number of schools beyond Auburn. Who knows, Cam Newton might be best remembered as the man who took down the SEC, or a large part thereof. This thing just gets more messy, and interesting, by the day.
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It wont get to that...as soon as it is clear that Auburn is in a lot of trouble either the SEC or Auburn themselves will force the team to fall on the sword. Auburn will "choose" to put themselves on probation for 3-4 years and forfeit some games and some scholarships and it will be brushed under the rug after that.

Whats funny though is, this is what the team was on probation for last time when Bowden took over. Yet here we are seeing it all over again with the same people and the same issues. The worst thing that happened to Auburn was Newton being the Heisman frontrunner and they being undefeated...there was no way the media or fellow SEC members were going to let this slide. Especially Florida who knew everything Newton pulled while he was on their campus.
 
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Handyman said:
Whats funny though is, this is what the team was on probation for last time when Bowden took over. Yet here we are seeing it all over again with the same people and the same issues. The worst thing that happened to Auburn was Newton being the Heisman frontrunner and they being undefeated...there was no way the media or fellow SEC members were going to let this slide. Especially Florida who knew everything Newton pulled while he was on their campus.
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Here's the thing, though - the previous NCAA investigations never had FBI wiretaps. With the FBI investigating into political corruption, fraud, and money laundering via the wiretap, there will be all sorts of evidence that an NCAA investigation likely never had access to previously. The fact that this trickles down to Auburn is merely an offshoot of a larger criminal investigation, rather than someone from Florida with an axe to grind.

What breaks this open is the alleged criminal behavior of those giving out the money and the attention they've drawn of the FBI, not the misdeeds of the players accepting the cash.
 
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Handyman said:
It wont get to that...as soon as it is clear that Auburn is in a lot of trouble either the SEC or Auburn themselves will force the team to fall on the sword. Auburn will "choose" to put themselves on probation for 3-4 years and forfeit some games and some scholarships and it will be brushed under the rug after that.
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Which would satisfy the NCAA, but thankfully not the Feds. The Feds aren't going to close up shop on a gambling ring investigation simply because a team forfeits some W's. They'll want jailtime from someone.
 
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unofan said:
Which would satisfy the NCAA, but thankfully not the Feds. The Feds aren't going to close up shop on a gambling ring investigation simply because a team forfeits some W's. They'll want jailtime from someone.
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True. That's why this could potentially spread a lot wider than a lot of this stuff. Who knows how many recruits these Auburn boosters who are being investigated have been involved with, including anyone who ended up going to another school if they got a better offer. Maybe not, but maybe.
 
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Game at Wrigley to use only one endzone.

Only one end zone will be used at Wrigley Field on Saturday for the Illinois-Northwestern game because of safety concerns, the Big Ten announced Friday.

The east end zone is feet away from the right-field wall, and although there is padding, there was still concerns that injuries could take place. Northwestern coach Pat Fitzgerald had said he would have different game plans for the different end zones to avoid the possibility of injury.

When a team is on offense Saturday, it will be positioned to head to the west end zone.
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What's the rationale for both teams sharing the sideline?
 
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So it's okay for a baseball player to charge headfirst and unprotected into the ivy covered brick in an effort to catch a fly ball in the summer.

But God forbid a helmet wearing, shoulder-pad protected player trot through the now padded end zone after scoring a touchdown?


Seriously?


*edit* And to top it off, they'll be running straight towards the dugout. Un-friggen-believable.
 
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aparch said:
So it's okay for a baseball player to charge headfirst and unprotected into the ivy covered brick in an effort to catch a fly ball in the summer.

But God forbid a helmet wearing, shoulder-pad protected player trot through the now padded end zone after scoring a touchdown?


Seriously?


*edit* And to top it off, they'll be running straight towards the dugout. Un-friggen-believable.
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All baseball fields have walls.

Not a single football stadium has a wall right on the endline of the endzone.

I'll also note that football players end up out the back of the endzone with far more frequency than outfielders crash into the wall.
 
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So, is this Big Ten football, or street football where the defense walks to receive the kick after the other team scores?
 
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