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Re: College Football III: We may lose, but we keep the score close!
Yes, they have - but in a one-off scenario. They're a good enough team to win a game, but if you want to play in the MNC game, you have to put together a season against decent competition. Both defenses looked ****ty at the end of the game because they were gassed, the teams have no depth (nor is there much depth to the conference schedule).
That's the whole point.
Of course it takes the power away from the weaker conference teams, but what other option do we have? Sure, a playoff; but we all know that won't happen.
Likewise, too many playoff proponents were busy building up Boise to be some juggernaut that's better than the record shows. This year's Boise team is a good team, but probably 9-3 or 10-2 in the Big Ten or Pac Ten or SEC.
It's not just that the WAC lacks the top end teams for Boise to compete against, it's that the middle is ridiculously soft. Where are the teams that are the equivalent of playing this year's Iowa or Northwestern or USC or whomever?
Yes, they have - but in a one-off scenario. They're a good enough team to win a game, but if you want to play in the MNC game, you have to put together a season against decent competition. Both defenses looked ****ty at the end of the game because they were gassed, the teams have no depth (nor is there much depth to the conference schedule).
That's the whole point.
That's the problem. Just because a team plays in a weaker conference doesn't mean they can't be one of the best teams out there. Same way a team that plays in a supposedly stronger conference isn't necessarily one of the best teams out there. When you start working the conference strength into things it takes the power away from an individual team itself, in a way. What if this season's Auburn or Oregon were in the WAC? Are they no longer elite teams? Of course not.
As far as whether a team with their schedule deserves a shot at the title game...we don't know. The sample size is so tiny it's impossible figure. Which is of course why a playoff would be sort of handy but I won't get into that
Of course it takes the power away from the weaker conference teams, but what other option do we have? Sure, a playoff; but we all know that won't happen.
Likewise, too many playoff proponents were busy building up Boise to be some juggernaut that's better than the record shows. This year's Boise team is a good team, but probably 9-3 or 10-2 in the Big Ten or Pac Ten or SEC.
It's not just that the WAC lacks the top end teams for Boise to compete against, it's that the middle is ridiculously soft. Where are the teams that are the equivalent of playing this year's Iowa or Northwestern or USC or whomever?
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Re: College Football III: We may lose, but we keep the score close!
Stanford likely up to #5 in the BCS with BSU's loss. Go Arkansas, help us get to #4!
Stanford likely up to #5 in the BCS with BSU's loss. Go Arkansas, help us get to #4!
Patman
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Re: College Football III: We may lose, but we keep the score close!
The schedules aren't long enough for a hypothetical "#1 but in the WAC" team to ever prove themselves... same goes for the MAC and the Sun Belt... its to point out that ability of this system to produce a true "national championship" is a farce. Fine, in any one year, a MAC/WAC/SB team will never be able to a demonstrate top-2 ranking in this framework. But over those years the chance of that WAC/MAC/SB team having been #1 in any of those years keep going up... this, of course, is a statistical truism... but if the system cannot produce the top team in the nation under a variety of rational conditions then that really says the whole set up is flawed.
The schedules aren't long enough for a hypothetical "#1 but in the WAC" team to ever prove themselves... same goes for the MAC and the Sun Belt... its to point out that ability of this system to produce a true "national championship" is a farce. Fine, in any one year, a MAC/WAC/SB team will never be able to a demonstrate top-2 ranking in this framework. But over those years the chance of that WAC/MAC/SB team having been #1 in any of those years keep going up... this, of course, is a statistical truism... but if the system cannot produce the top team in the nation under a variety of rational conditions then that really says the whole set up is flawed.
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Re: College Football III: We may lose, but we keep the score close!
So if TCU loses today and Oregon gets upset at Corvallis the BCS title game will be Auburn vs LSU.
Yep. There's nothing wrong with the BCS.
So if TCU loses today and Oregon gets upset at Corvallis the BCS title game will be Auburn vs LSU.
Yep. There's nothing wrong with the BCS.
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Re: College Football III: We may lose, but we keep the score close!
This OSU-Michigan game is deteriorating into a blowout.
This OSU-Michigan game is deteriorating into a blowout.
Re: College Football III: We may lose, but we keep the score close!
Eh.
There'd be nothing wrong with the BCS that wasn't already wrong before any of those games.
The main problem with the BCS is that it is not linked to a playoff system.
If it selects 2 teams, and all that crazy crap happens, you could make an equally strong case for Auburn and LSU as you could for any other dyad. Maybe stronger.
Eh.
There'd be nothing wrong with the BCS that wasn't already wrong before any of those games.
The main problem with the BCS is that it is not linked to a playoff system.
If it selects 2 teams, and all that crazy crap happens, you could make an equally strong case for Auburn and LSU as you could for any other dyad. Maybe stronger.
BoomGoestheDynamite
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Re: College Football III: We may lose, but we keep the score close!
LSU plays a very tough game against Arky today and even in the above scenario I could see enough pollsters elevating the Big Ten champ or possibly a one loss Oklahoma State into the title game to avoid the horror of an intra-division "national title game".
LSU plays a very tough game against Arky today and even in the above scenario I could see enough pollsters elevating the Big Ten champ or possibly a one loss Oklahoma State into the title game to avoid the horror of an intra-division "national title game".
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Re: College Football III: We may lose, but we keep the score close!
I think Wisconsin might win.
I think Wisconsin might win.
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Re: College Football III: We may lose, but we keep the score close!
That color analyst for CBS is a genius.
That color analyst for CBS is a genius.
MountieBoyOz
Eater of Worlds
Re: College Football III: We may lose, but we keep the score close!
I wonder if the ringers left Reno after they completed their successful mission.
Nevada will be getting a nice payoff.
I wonder if the ringers left Reno after they completed their successful mission.
Nevada will be getting a nice payoff.WeWantMore
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Re: College Football III: We may lose, but we keep the score close!
Rich Rod has diagnosed the problem at Michigian
He's now won fewer Big 10 games in Michigan Stadium than Jim Tressel has.
Rich Rod has diagnosed the problem at Michigian
He's now won fewer Big 10 games in Michigan Stadium than Jim Tressel has.
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Re: College Football III: We may lose, but we keep the score close!
Gameday is going to Corvallis next Saturday.
Gameday is going to Corvallis next Saturday.
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Let go Vikings go
Re: College Football III: We may lose, but we keep the score close!
Welcome home Floyd. you will have a nice trophy case waiting for you inside TCF Bank Stadium.
Welcome home Floyd. you will have a nice trophy case waiting for you inside TCF Bank Stadium.
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Re: College Football III: We may lose, but we keep the score close!
C'mon Arkansas, please finish this out...
C'mon Arkansas, please finish this out...
Terrierbyassociation
Fight Cancer, Wherever You Find It
Re: College Football III: We may lose, but we keep the score close!
Way to take the hit and hold on to the football. Kudos, kid.
Way to take the hit and hold on to the football. Kudos, kid.
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Re: College Football III: We may lose, but we keep the score close!
SEC refs again.
SEC refs again.
French Rage
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Re: College Football III: We may lose, but we keep the score close!
Thank you pointless unsportsmanlike conduct penalty....
Thank you pointless unsportsmanlike conduct penalty....
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