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College Football 2016-17: Destination Tampa

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dxmnkd316 said:
The law and the U have different burdens of proof.
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There are also laws that limit what the university can tell people until there's a trial. Which puts the university in a pretty tough position. Theoretically, they have evidence to suspend the players further than what has been done, but they can't say why.

One can naturally say- let the court system deal with it, and that's fair. But how do you respond to people when you let players play and then they end up going to jail? Even if the odds are very small that they will go to jail- that's a risk that few administrators would ever want to take.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
Yeah, I'm sort of on the side of the administration here.
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I'm not. They've ****ed this up so much. If it were just the original 4 players, that were actually named by the accuser, I wouldn't complain. But the fact that they've suspended 6 players that never participated in the actions that originally caused all of this, including 1 that coaches claim wasn't even in the building at the time, I have a very tough time agreeing with the administration. Kaler is overstepping, and it is going to blow up for everyone. Also, I don't see the whole coaching staff taking the side of the players, and defying the AD if there wasn't something seriously wrong with what they're doing.
 
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burd said:
Are they still under investigation?
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Criminally? No, I don't believe so. I think the prosecutors declined to prosecute the 4 who were originally investigated.

As I understand it, an "Equal Opportunity" agency of the U of M also investigated and has now recommended that five of these players be kicked out of school and the other five receive a one year suspension. That lead to the ten removed from football activities, which in turn lead to the boycott.

Tough situation for the U of M, but also for the coaching staff who apparently has come out in support of the players. I have no idea what sort of U of M policies this "Equal Opportunity" agency alleges the students violated, but it's a completely different setting then a criminal proceeding. It sounds like they get a hearing on it. The question is whether that hearing occurs before or after the bowl game. I'd be surprised if it were before.

Claeys is setting himself up for some bad problems if this hearing occurs and the expulsions/suspensions are upheld. But if the University backs down and lets the players play, I'm guessing they'll hear about it as well.

There are lines in the sand that can be drawn. I'm just not sure a videotaped gangbang is where I'd start.
 
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bigblue_dl said:
I'm not. They've ****ed this up so much. If it were just the original 4 players, that were actually named by the accuser, I wouldn't complain. But the fact that they've suspended 6 players that never participated in the actions that originally caused all of this, including 1 that coaches claim wasn't even in the building at the time, I have a very tough time agreeing with the administration. Kaler is overstepping, and it is going to blow up for everyone. Also, I don't see the whole coaching staff taking the side of the players, and defying the AD if there wasn't something seriously wrong with what they're doing.
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JoePa never ****ed a kid either. How do you feel about him?
 
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alfablue said:
It's interesting to see the flack that he's being given for taking that job. I will admit that I'm no Kiffen fan what so ever, but I very much respect this choice of being a HC, as to me- he's acknowledging all of the fear and criticism that he's gotten for not being mature.

It's as if Saban convinced him to reset his plan to be a HC and start over again- at a much lower level than before. And it's not as if great coaches have not come from the lower levels to start with.

This isn't a bad move if he really thinks he can be a big school HC. And if he fails, well, being HC isn't in the cards (plus, it's not as if the alumni base at FAU can light him up like at Tennessee or USC).
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You're overthinking it. FAU is a firebreak. A couple years, maybe only one year, and a power school can pick him up with very little commotion. They'll just be promoting a HC up a level.
 
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bigblue_dl said:
But he let other **** kids. Its a distinction without a difference. The situations couldn't be more different.
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You seem to think the first four did something worthy of punishment, but are fine to let the others that stood around while it happened go free. It kind of is the same thing.
 
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MaizeRage said:
You seem to think the first four did something worthy of punishment, but are fine to let the others that stood around while it happened go free. It kind of is the same thing.
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How is a person, not even in the building, just standing around, letting it happen? By that logic everyone posting here is just as guilty.
 
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bigblue_dl said:
How is a person, not even in the building, just standing around, letting it happen? By that logic everyone posting here is just as guilty.
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When the people investigating the incident find the story of not even in the building to be less credible than the victim's testimony.
 
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MaizeRage said:
When the people investigating the incident find the story of not even in the building to be less credible than the victim's testimony.
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Pretty tough to get the story when the people investigating didn't even give the accused an opportunity to tell their story.
 
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Actually, this is pretty telling (from the STrib article):

During an 8-second clip, the woman “appears lucid, alert, somewhat playful and fully conscious; she does not appear to be objecting to anything at this time,” Wente wrote in his report. After viewing two additional videos, he wrote “the sexual contact appears entirely consensual.”

Police later interviewed four other players, who each said the sex was consensual.

On Sept. 30, Wente sent the investigation to the Hennepin County Attorney’s office for possible prosecution. In it, he wrote about the videos, “at no time does she indicate that she is in distress or that the contact is unwelcome or nonconsensual.”
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dxmnkd316 said:
Actually, this is pretty telling (from the STrib article):
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Which is why it went nowhere with criminal prosecution. But the idea that sex that starts as consensual can't then become unconsensual is backwards, dinosaur thinking.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
Actually, this is pretty telling (from the STrib article):
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Sure, the quote you pulled is obviously the reason why prosecutors didn't charge these athletes. Personally I tend to defer to the police and prosecutors in these matters, and respect their judgment since that is what we pay them to do. I recognize, however, that not all people agree with that approach.

Nevertheless, these players have not been removed from football activities nor has a proposal for expulsion or suspension been made because they committed a crime. As I said in my first post, the U, through this Equal Opportunity agency, obviously thinks the players violated some sort of student conduct rule or something. Maybe it involves videotaping another student having sex, without consent. Maybe it involves the dissemination of that video on social media. Who knows. That part hasn't been made public yet, as far as I know.

But the point is that there is apparently someone at the U, responsible for enforcing student conduct, who thinks these 10 did something that merits significant academic punishment. We'll have to wait and see what happens.
 
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SJHovey said:
Maybe it involves videotaping another student having sex, without consent. Maybe it involves the dissemination of that video on social media. Who knows. That part hasn't been made public yet, as far as I know.
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Not that I think it's the core of the problem- but publishing a sex tape without consent isn't legal.

Not sure about making one or not. And/or is that a student policy thing, too.
 
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MaizeRage said:
You seem to think the first four did something worthy of punishment, but are fine to let the others that stood around while it happened go free. It kind of is the same thing.
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We can easily prove what Joe Pa knew. In this case not so much. I know you're just looking to troll the U of MN per usual but c'mon...
 
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Maize must've gotten kidnapped by Sicatoka :rolleyes:

(that said I agree with your last post, a lot of PSU fans buried their head in the sand)
 
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