bronconick
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Re: College Football 2016-17: Destination Tampa
Boise State passes WMU because of their win over Hawaii.
Boise State passes WMU because of their win over Hawaii.
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College Football 2016-17: Destination Tampa
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dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
Re: College Football 2016-17: Destination Tampa
Funny. All the boys growing up around happy valley wish it were only penn state that was being shoved down their throat.
Funny. All the boys growing up around happy valley wish it were only penn state that was being shoved down their throat.
SonofSouthie
Misanthrope
Re: College Football 2016-17: Destination Tampa
2 weeks ago 4th ranked A&M loses at unranked Miss State and falls 4 spots. Last week 3rd ranked Michigan loses at unranked Iowa and suffers no consequences remaining ranked 3rd.
2 weeks ago 4th ranked A&M loses at unranked Miss State and falls 4 spots. Last week 3rd ranked Michigan loses at unranked Iowa and suffers no consequences remaining ranked 3rd.
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
Re: College Football 2016-17: Destination Tampa
The MSU loss was their second of the season. Not to mention that the week of the loss to MSU, MSU was ranked around 73rd with a 3-5 record while Iowa was ranked around 49th at 5-4. (Currently 65 and 37.)
The vast, vast majority of rankings systems agree that Michigan should stay at #3. http://masseyratings.com/cf/compare.htm
ETA: Combine that with A&M's best win was Auburn away. While Michigan has beaten PSU, Wisconsin, and Colorado (all at home) handing those teams 50% of their losses on the year.
The MSU loss was their second of the season. Not to mention that the week of the loss to MSU, MSU was ranked around 73rd with a 3-5 record while Iowa was ranked around 49th at 5-4. (Currently 65 and 37.)
The vast, vast majority of rankings systems agree that Michigan should stay at #3. http://masseyratings.com/cf/compare.htm
ETA: Combine that with A&M's best win was Auburn away. While Michigan has beaten PSU, Wisconsin, and Colorado (all at home) handing those teams 50% of their losses on the year.
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bronconick
Yep, still here
Re: College Football 2016-17: Destination Tampa
If you're going to lose, do it the same week as everyone else.They'd be 6th or 7th if Clemson and UW had won.
If you're going to lose, do it the same week as everyone else.They'd be 6th or 7th if Clemson and UW had won.
SonofSouthie
Misanthrope
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: College Football 2016-17: Destination Tampa
Wonder if we'll see a lot more of this.
I would think guys who are going in the first round, and who are perfectly healthy, will start doing this. You're on a plantation and you've got a multi-million dollar pay day in your sights. Protect yourself. You owe massa nothing.
Wonder if we'll see a lot more of this.
I would think guys who are going in the first round, and who are perfectly healthy, will start doing this. You're on a plantation and you've got a multi-million dollar pay day in your sights. Protect yourself. You owe massa nothing.
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
Re: College Football 2016-17: Destination Tampa
And actually, when you look at the scenarios, it's even more obvious why they ranked them the way they did.
In W9, A&M was actually ahead of undefeated Washington at 4/5. This was the committee's way of saying that A&M was the best 1-loss team in the nation because it was against Alabama, which we can forgive. When they lost, you now have to compare them to all of the other teams in the group with two losses or fewer. The committee decided that they would reward the four power conference undefeateds with the top four. A&M moved down one. Now let's consider the one-loss teams.
You had OSU with a loss at PSU and Louisville with a loss at Clemson. Ignoring the loss at Alabama for A&M, OSU's and Louisville's losses were not nearly as bad as losing to MSU. Let's also compare their wins. OSU had beaten Oklahoma at OU, Wisconsin at UW, and they had just beaten Nebraska at home. So that moves A&M down another spot. Finally, Louisville beat FSU as their only marquee win. Do you weigh the loss at Clemson more than a losses against Alabama and MSU? I would say the two losses are worse. So move them down three.
Lets look at the two-loss teams now. Just compare Wisconsin and A&M. Wisconsin has wins against LSU, @Iowa, and Nebraska. Losses against OSU and @Michigan. A&M has wins against UCLA, @Auburn, Arkansas, Tennessee. Losses against @Alabama and @MSU. You could probably make a good argument that A&M should have been ranked higher than Wisconsin. So let's call it three spots for sure.
Now look at this week. Alabama and five one-loss teams. OSU, Michigan, Clemson, Louisville, and Washington SOS are 13/21/24/40/29, respectively. So OSU is going to the top of the heap as a clear #1 in this group. Then you have Michigan, Clemson, and Washington at 21/24/29. Michigan has far more marquee wins than any other team so I think they get the next spot. So zero drops.
It makes a lot of logical sense when you actually review what happened.
And actually, when you look at the scenarios, it's even more obvious why they ranked them the way they did.
In W9, A&M was actually ahead of undefeated Washington at 4/5. This was the committee's way of saying that A&M was the best 1-loss team in the nation because it was against Alabama, which we can forgive. When they lost, you now have to compare them to all of the other teams in the group with two losses or fewer. The committee decided that they would reward the four power conference undefeateds with the top four. A&M moved down one. Now let's consider the one-loss teams.
You had OSU with a loss at PSU and Louisville with a loss at Clemson. Ignoring the loss at Alabama for A&M, OSU's and Louisville's losses were not nearly as bad as losing to MSU. Let's also compare their wins. OSU had beaten Oklahoma at OU, Wisconsin at UW, and they had just beaten Nebraska at home. So that moves A&M down another spot. Finally, Louisville beat FSU as their only marquee win. Do you weigh the loss at Clemson more than a losses against Alabama and MSU? I would say the two losses are worse. So move them down three.
Lets look at the two-loss teams now. Just compare Wisconsin and A&M. Wisconsin has wins against LSU, @Iowa, and Nebraska. Losses against OSU and @Michigan. A&M has wins against UCLA, @Auburn, Arkansas, Tennessee. Losses against @Alabama and @MSU. You could probably make a good argument that A&M should have been ranked higher than Wisconsin. So let's call it three spots for sure.
Now look at this week. Alabama and five one-loss teams. OSU, Michigan, Clemson, Louisville, and Washington SOS are 13/21/24/40/29, respectively. So OSU is going to the top of the heap as a clear #1 in this group. Then you have Michigan, Clemson, and Washington at 21/24/29. Michigan has far more marquee wins than any other team so I think they get the next spot. So zero drops.
It makes a lot of logical sense when you actually review what happened.
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
Re: College Football 2016-17: Destination Tampa
np. I think my other post I just added confirms it. The scenarios they were presented with almost dictate that Michigan drops 0-1 spots while A&M almost had to drop three spots with a fourth being arguable.
np. I think my other post I just added confirms it. The scenarios they were presented with almost dictate that Michigan drops 0-1 spots while A&M almost had to drop three spots with a fourth being arguable.
Re: College Football 2016-17: Destination Tampa
We have started seeing that- kids have been leaving early, when eligible, for a while now.
For Walker, I hope that he does not get another concussion before getting paid. If he goes in the 2nd round, and complete a season, that would be roughly a good career salary in a non-football job. Below that, then the $450k min, well- hope he can keep paying for school at OU.
It's a tough call sometimes- complete school so that one can do something besides football if there's an issue, or go for the money.
(not commenting on the idea of schools paying the athletes. I'm still thinking about that one)
We have started seeing that- kids have been leaving early, when eligible, for a while now.
For Walker, I hope that he does not get another concussion before getting paid. If he goes in the 2nd round, and complete a season, that would be roughly a good career salary in a non-football job. Below that, then the $450k min, well- hope he can keep paying for school at OU.
It's a tough call sometimes- complete school so that one can do something besides football if there's an issue, or go for the money.
(not commenting on the idea of schools paying the athletes. I'm still thinking about that one)
Re: College Football 2016-17: Destination Tampa
The comments by Stoops are telling to me, though they may have been selectively edited by Deadspin. No mention of the concussion. Use of the phrase "quitting on your teammates."
As for the comments about completing school so you can do something besides football -- I don't know anything about the person or how mainstream a student he was, nor have I looked up statistics on Oklahoma, but I don't remember OU being among the better schools at graduating football players, especially African-American. And even if he did graduate, if he essentially majored in Football, his prospects aren't very good. While the prospects for a person with a college degree are certainly better than one without, the mere attainment of a college degree isn't a guarantee that he'll be able to get a good job.
The comments by Stoops are telling to me, though they may have been selectively edited by Deadspin. No mention of the concussion. Use of the phrase "quitting on your teammates."
As for the comments about completing school so you can do something besides football -- I don't know anything about the person or how mainstream a student he was, nor have I looked up statistics on Oklahoma, but I don't remember OU being among the better schools at graduating football players, especially African-American. And even if he did graduate, if he essentially majored in Football, his prospects aren't very good. While the prospects for a person with a college degree are certainly better than one without, the mere attainment of a college degree isn't a guarantee that he'll be able to get a good job.
Re: College Football 2016-17: Destination Tampa
OU may not be the best example of getting a useful degree. And I'm sure there are a lot of schools that are like that, too.
But there are some schools that kids who COULD leave (for whatever reason to do whatever) don't. Even if it appears that moving would be a better option for them. So that comes down to team or school as the reason to stay.
OU may not be the best example of getting a useful degree. And I'm sure there are a lot of schools that are like that, too.
But there are some schools that kids who COULD leave (for whatever reason to do whatever) don't. Even if it appears that moving would be a better option for them. So that comes down to team or school as the reason to stay.
French Rage
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Re: College Football 2016-17: Destination Tampa
Pac-12 has an interesting bifurcation this year. The top 6 teams (UW, WSU, Stanford, CU, Utah, USC) are a combined 27-1 against the bottom six teams (Cal, UO, OSU, UCLA, UA, ASU). The top 6 teams are also all ranked in the CFP rankings. The other 6 might all miss out on bowl eligibility if a few games go a certain way (UO, OSU, UA eliminated, UCLA and Call needing to run the table, ASU needing to win one remaining game).
Pac-12 has an interesting bifurcation this year. The top 6 teams (UW, WSU, Stanford, CU, Utah, USC) are a combined 27-1 against the bottom six teams (Cal, UO, OSU, UCLA, UA, ASU). The top 6 teams are also all ranked in the CFP rankings. The other 6 might all miss out on bowl eligibility if a few games go a certain way (UO, OSU, UA eliminated, UCLA and Call needing to run the table, ASU needing to win one remaining game).
bronconick
Yep, still here
Re: College Football 2016-17: Destination Tampa
I think you might see guys leave after the regular season to prep for the combine if your team isn't in the playoff. Jaylon Smith probably cost himself a few million for playing in the Fiesta Bowl.
I think you might see guys leave after the regular season to prep for the combine if your team isn't in the playoff. Jaylon Smith probably cost himself a few million for playing in the Fiesta Bowl.
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Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: College Football 2016-17: Destination Tampa
I assume that's great news for the bottom 6, who will split that much more money of the top 6 get great bowl games.
At some point if you're a second division team in a power conference it will be against against your interests to beat a first division team.
I assume that's great news for the bottom 6, who will split that much more money of the top 6 get great bowl games.
At some point if you're a second division team in a power conference it will be against against your interests to beat a first division team.
Spartanforlife4
Generic Catchy Message
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Big Ten is in line for some great money. If the season ended today (with the assumption either OSU or UM will not be in the playoff) they would be in the Playoff, Rose, Orange and Cotton bowls. That's $18 million, six for the semi and four each for the other three NY6 bowls. If WMU can make it into the Cotton that would be an extra 333k for each MAC school.
Big Ten is in line for some great money. If the season ended today (with the assumption either OSU or UM will not be in the playoff) they would be in the Playoff, Rose, Orange and Cotton bowls. That's $18 million, six for the semi and four each for the other three NY6 bowls. If WMU can make it into the Cotton that would be an extra 333k for each MAC school.
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
Re: College Football 2016-17: Destination Tampa
Is it really that "low"? I thought the payouts were higher. huh...
Is it really that "low"? I thought the payouts were higher. huh...
bronconick
Yep, still here
Re: College Football 2016-17: Destination Tampa
That's just for being in a "playoff" game, not including the actual bowl payouts. I think. Rose and Sugar are $50 million, Orange ~$40 million and the other 3 $35ish, I think.
That's just for being in a "playoff" game, not including the actual bowl payouts. I think. Rose and Sugar are $50 million, Orange ~$40 million and the other 3 $35ish, I think.
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
Re: College Football 2016-17: Destination Tampa
That sounds closer to what I thought.
That sounds closer to what I thought.
Spartanforlife4
Generic Catchy Message
Re: College Football 2016-17: Destination Tampa
From the CFP Website:
(1) Each conference will receive $300,000 for each of its schools when the school’s football team meets the NCAA’s APR for participation in a post-season football game. Each independent institution will also receive the $300,000 when its football team meets that standard.
(2) Each of the 10 conferences will also receive a base amount. For conferences that have contracts for their champions to participate in the Orange, Rose or Sugar Bowl, the base combined with the full academic performance pool will be approximately $55 million for each conference. The five conferences that do not have contracts for their champions to participate in the Orange, Rose or Sugar Bowls will receive approximately $83.5 million in aggregate (full academic pool plus base), which the conferences will distribute as they choose. Notre Dame will receive a payment of $2.83 million if it meets the APR standard; the other three independents will share $930,462.
(3) A conference will receive $6 million for each team that is selected for the semifinal games. There will be no additional distribution to conferences whose teams qualify for the national championship game. A conference will receive $4 million for each team that plays in a non-playoff bowl under the arrangement (in 2014-2015, the Cotton, Fiesta and Peach Bowls).
(4) Each conference whose team participates in a playoff semifinal, Cotton, Fiesta or Peach Bowl, or in the national championship game will receive $2.16 million to cover expenses for each game.
Lots of money for an extracurricular activity.
From the CFP Website:
(1) Each conference will receive $300,000 for each of its schools when the school’s football team meets the NCAA’s APR for participation in a post-season football game. Each independent institution will also receive the $300,000 when its football team meets that standard.
(2) Each of the 10 conferences will also receive a base amount. For conferences that have contracts for their champions to participate in the Orange, Rose or Sugar Bowl, the base combined with the full academic performance pool will be approximately $55 million for each conference. The five conferences that do not have contracts for their champions to participate in the Orange, Rose or Sugar Bowls will receive approximately $83.5 million in aggregate (full academic pool plus base), which the conferences will distribute as they choose. Notre Dame will receive a payment of $2.83 million if it meets the APR standard; the other three independents will share $930,462.
(3) A conference will receive $6 million for each team that is selected for the semifinal games. There will be no additional distribution to conferences whose teams qualify for the national championship game. A conference will receive $4 million for each team that plays in a non-playoff bowl under the arrangement (in 2014-2015, the Cotton, Fiesta and Peach Bowls).
(4) Each conference whose team participates in a playoff semifinal, Cotton, Fiesta or Peach Bowl, or in the national championship game will receive $2.16 million to cover expenses for each game.
Lots of money for an extracurricular activity.
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