College Football 2011: Enough of realignment and scandals. Gimme Footbaw!

[Craig P.]

Re: College Football 2011: Enough of realignment and scandals. Gimme Footbaw!

Tells me that no matter what is in that team which shall remain nameless because anyone can guess their name easily's future, they don't think the Catholic Big East is going to be part of it.

The Catholic Big East is about Atlantic-10 level in men's basketball and mid-major in everything else. It's no shock ND would be looking at other options.

 

[kingdobbs]

Re: College Football 2011: Enough of realignment and scandals. Gimme Footbaw!

The Catholic Big East is about Atlantic-10 level in men's basketball and mid-major in everything else. It's no shock ND would be looking at other options.

I agree. What it seems to be suggesting is that Notre Dame's gone, and the destination is going to be a superconference. Maybe the Big Ten can finally get the windmill at which they've been tilting, or maybe the ACC can score them by offering the deal that the Domers previously had with the Big East. But it seems that football independence isn't an absolute dealbreaker anymore.

 

[Craig P.]

Re: College Football 2011: Enough of realignment and scandals. Gimme Footbaw!

It could also point toward a viable conference developing out of the football parts of the XII and the Big East that is willing to offer ND the same deal as we have with the Big East. I'd need to see the actual teams involved to say for sure whether that's a worthwhile partnership, but Louisville and Cincinnati both have reasonably strong all-sports programs. You could do much worse at the top of the conference than, say, ND, Louisville, UC, and Missouri.

I don't think football independence is a no-compromise position for ND, but I do think it's something that is still considered to be very valuable by the athletic administration. They'll protect that as long as a) it's still a viable position from which to chase a national title in football, and b) they can still get a viable conference for the non-football sports to chase national titles.

 

[Craig P.]

Re: College Football 2011: Enough of realignment and scandals. Gimme Footbaw!

Oops, looks like my commentary was resting on a mistaken premise. The Nova Blog's source on the conference call indicates that ND is indeed involved in it.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/c...9-19_big_east_schools_eye_split.html?r=sports

The athletic directors of St. John's, Georgetown, Seton Hall, Villanova, Providence, DePaul, Marquette and Notre Dame have scheduled a teleconference Monday to discuss the league's ever-changing status.

 

[kingdobbs]

Re: College Football 2011: Enough of realignment and scandals. Gimme Footbaw!

Oops, looks like my commentary was resting on a mistaken premise. The Nova Blog's source on the conference call indicates that ND is indeed involved in it.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/c...9-19_big_east_schools_eye_split.html?r=sports

Huh, I guess I misread that, and so did other commentators, because it seemed as if Notre Dame wasn't involved.

If they are, then the remnant Big East is still potentially on the table. But it seems like there won't be many good options unless the conferences don't go to 16.

 

[joecct]

Re: College Football 2011: Enough of realignment and scandals. Gimme Footbaw!

Totally disagree. That would be a huge event with all sorts of nostalgic overtones, and there's a enormous and wealthy population in NYC/LI/CT who would eat it up. The advertising rates would be north of the Masters. Cardinal Egan could throw up the opening tip off.

You agreed with me? Somebody check the water up by you.

Cardinal Egan has retired. Archbishop Dolan now runs the Powerhouse.

Just thinking, you can't divorce somebody who's dead, can you?

 

[Priceless]

Re: College Football 2011: Enough of realignment and scandals. Gimme Footbaw!

Huh, I guess I misread that, and so did other commentators, because it seemed as if Notre Dame wasn't involved.

If they are, then the remnant Big East is still potentially on the table. But it seems like there won't be many good options unless the conferences don't go to 16.

CBS has a scenario where UConn and Rutgers follow to the ACC, the 4 Oklahoma and Texas schools go to the PAC and the Big East invites the Big XII leftovers, plus UCF, Memphis and Houston. That would be 12 football and 20 hoops schools. It would also add the TV markets of Houston (#10) and Orlando (#19). That would require Big East commissioner John Marinatto being proactive, which doesn't seem to be his strong point.

 

[joecct]

Re: College Football 2011: Enough of realignment and scandals. Gimme Footbaw!

South Carolina uses Priceline, NCAA is not amused...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sport...tel-boosters/2011/09/19/gIQAFjHFgK_story.html

Well, they would have to, to get those hotel rates, right?

Updates: Jim Likte takes the presidents to task. http://www.washingtonpost.com/sport...from-the-top/2011/09/19/gIQADffXgK_story.html

 

[Kepler]

Re: College Football 2011: Enough of realignment and scandals. Gimme Footbaw!

South Carolina uses Priceline, NCAA is not amused...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sport...tel-boosters/2011/09/19/gIQAFjHFgK_story.html

Well, they would have to, to get those hotel rates, right?

Updates: Jim Likte takes the presidents to task. http://www.washingtonpost.com/sport...from-the-top/2011/09/19/gIQADffXgK_story.html

 

[bronconick]

Re: College Football 2011: Enough of realignment and scandals. Gimme Footbaw!

I'm not sure that the remaining football schools wouldn't be better off joining the Big XII's remnants instead of vice versa. It sounds like the insanity of suggesting Villanova as the choice for football expansion is what set Pitt off toward looking for a way out, at least, and it may just be simpler to be an all-sports conference, especially if UConn, Rutgers and WVU are gone. The only remaining Big East football schools then are all from the 2003/4 expansion.

 

[kingdobbs]

Re: College Football 2011: Enough of realignment and scandals. Gimme Footbaw!

I'm not sure that the remaining football schools wouldn't be better off joining the Big XII's remnants instead of vice versa. It sounds like the insanity of suggesting Villanova as the choice for football expansion is what set Pitt off toward looking for a way out, at least, and it may just be simpler to be an all-sports conference, especially if UConn, Rutgers and WVU are gone. The only remaining Big East football schools then are all from the 2003/4 expansion.

This'll all depend on how many remnant Big East and Big XII teams there are in the pot.

If we have the superconferences all go to 16, there's only going to be four leftovers, and they would all be better off trying to link up with a lower-tier league.

On the other hand, if there's no more motion beyond the Texahoma Four, there's six Big East and five Big XII leftovers (plus TCU oncoming), and a 12 team all-sports is the best option (if geographically a nightmare and of questionable BCS merit), and might as well build a new brand.

In the middle, who knows. But if what emerges is going to be FBS schools with strong basketball programs (say a core of Kansas, K-State, Cincy, Louisville and Memphis), the Big East brand might be the one worth preserving, hence the 12/20 model coming back to the fore.

 

[ExileOnDaytonStreet]

Re: College Football 2011: Enough of realignment and scandals. Gimme Footbaw!

I give up on keeping track. This is starting to become absurd.

 

[JF_Gophers]

Re: College Football 2011: Enough of realignment and scandals. Gimme Footbaw!

Read a scroll on TV this morning that said:

Notre Dame to stay independent in football and in the Big East for all other sports. Would pursue ACC before Big Ten if they could not remain independent.

Maybe this means the other shoe will finally drop on Notre Dame hockey and there will be no more threads about it.

 

[dxmnkd316]

Re: College Football 2011: Enough of realignment and scandals. Gimme Footbaw!

Read a scroll on TV this morning that said:

Notre Dame to stay independent in football and in the Big East for all other sports. Would pursue ACC before Big Ten if they could not remain independent.

Maybe this means the other shoe will finally drop on Notre Dame hockey and there will be no more threads about it.

Why the hell would they pursue the ACC before Big Ten? That doesn't make sense at ALL. Unless they're afraid of actually playing teams that can beat them.

 

[JF_Gophers]

Re: College Football 2011: Enough of realignment and scandals. Gimme Footbaw!

Why the hell would they pursue the ACC before Big Ten? That doesn't make sense at ALL. Unless they're afraid of actually playing teams that can beat them.

They probably just want to be with BC in football, and it gives them a great basketball conference.

 

[Bob Gray]

Re: College Football 2011: Enough of realignment and scandals. Gimme Footbaw!

They probably just want to be with BC in football, and it gives them a great basketball conference.

Is being with BC in football so important? I never knew that. And I just don't see ACC basketball vs. Big Ten basketball being a defining factor. If Notre Dame went to the ACC, what would be the closest team to Notre Dame? I know geography isn't as important as it used to be, but it'd stink for the fans not being anywhere near anyone else in your conference.

 

[JF_Gophers]

Re: College Football 2011: Enough of realignment and scandals. Gimme Footbaw!

Is being with BC in football so important? I never knew that. And I just don't see ACC basketball vs. Big Ten basketball being a defining factor. If Notre Dame went to the ACC, what would be the closest team to Notre Dame? I know geography isn't as important as it used to be, but it'd stink for the fans not being anywhere near anyone else in your conference.

I obviously don't know how much value they put on BC, but there has to be something there.

Travel is clearly not important to them, as the Big East in all other sports is already full of east/atlantic coast travel.

While the basketball may not be the the defining factor, it certainly has to be a factor. Basketball is the 2nd bread winner in NCAA sports behind football and the ACC is a million miles ahead of the Big Ten in that sport, especially when possibly adding Syracuse, Pittsburgh, and UConn to the mix of a Duke, UNC, Maryland, etc.

 

[Craig P.]

Re: College Football 2011: Enough of realignment and scandals. Gimme Footbaw!

Why the hell would they pursue the ACC before Big Ten? That doesn't make sense at ALL.

Joining the Integer would turn ND into a regional school. Joining the ACC would preserve the current national reach.

 

[Handyman]

Re: College Football 2011: Enough of realignment and scandals. Gimme Footbaw!

Is being with BC in football so important? I never knew that. And I just don't see ACC basketball vs. Big Ten basketball being a defining factor. If Notre Dame went to the ACC, what would be the closest team to Notre Dame? I know geography isn't as important as it used to be, but it'd stink for the fans not being anywhere near anyone else in your conference.

They dont care as long as the fans buy the home tickets. I should rephrase, they dont care as long as SOMEONE buys the home tickets.

College Football is cutting off its nose to spite its face...sad to watch but yet morbidly fun at the same time.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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I give up on keeping track. This is starting to become absurd.

It's come to the point where I'm reminded of all the analysis on the night of Presidental elections.

"If Schmuck wins X and Y, and Dickhead only wins Z, then Schmuck is our next President. However, if Dickhead wins Y and Z and Schmuck wins X, then we'll have to wait for the results from V and W before making a firm prediction, and the race in W is still too close to call right now."