College Football 2011: Enough of realignment and scandals. Gimme Footbaw!

[MountieBoyOz]

Re: College Football 2011: Enough of realignment and scandals. Gimme Footbaw!

So if you're TCU, do you go for an annulment?

What about the "minor sports" of the ACC? Baseball, softball, track and field, golf? What do SYR and PIT bring to the table?

ACC has currenly 4 lax schools. Syracuse makes 5 and they need one more for an AQ.

If Rutgers goes to the ACC, it will give the league 6.

I smell TCU may just stay in the Mountain West and try to lure the leftovers of the Big XII-7.

 

[komey1]

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ACC has currenly 4 lax schools. Syracuse makes 5 and they need one more for an AQ.

Those 5 are so good they really don't need an AQ. If anything, it will make it harder for the teams to get in. It could be the most dominant conference in ANY sport in DI.

 

[bronconick]

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If the ACC was making a move for football prowess, they wouldn't have invited Syracuse and Pitt.

Thanks Professor Obvious. It's not like I wasn't *****ing about that exact fact.

 

[CHFAN222]

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If the ACC is truly interested in going to 16 than it will be Rutgers and UCONN as both schools are already in active discussions with the conference. That move would make the most sense for the ACC. Both schools will add a nice compliment to the ACC market footprint. Rutgers is one of the largest institution in the country and has an extremely large alumni population that is concentrated in the NY/NY and Philly markets and would make a great rival to Maryland in football. UCONN will help fill in the Southern New England market especially since the departure of the Whalers have become CT's team to many in the state. The only way this doesn't happen is if the B10 snags one or both of them first. I really doubt Texas or Notre Dame are going to end up there.

 

[kingdobbs]

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Thanks Professor Obvious. It's not like I wasn't *****ing about that exact fact.

Who do you think the ACC should have invited? Who do you think they plausibly COULD have invited?

There's literally no one else who would have been a candidate for the ACC (minus the pipe dreams of Notre Dame and Texas) who would have made the ACC a better football league. No one is coming from the SEC, and West Virginia has googly eyes for that league, not the ACC.

Like it or not, the best move for the ACC was to bust up its only rival for basketball attention. The Big East stood a chance of at least meeting the ACC with its next media contract, if not exceeding it, and the ACC would be stuck with a subpar contract for at least another ten years. That's another ten years of the Big East still existing, possibly extending itself to include Kansas or other Big Less Than Twelve teams, and eating away at the bread and butter of its core schools, while their best football schools either circled the drain (like the U) or looked up at the SEC with hope of an invite.

The ACC secured its place at the table by grabbing these two, and passing the huge exit fee. There's now no chance Big East football survives, and Big East basketball is probably a third or fourth place league once the football exodus hits. If the ACC does get raided by the SEC, they'll still have plenty of good candidates leftover, but they're all STILL going to be basketball-friendly moves, because this large grouping of teams that would move the needle in football that are just aching for ACC invites does not exist.

 

[bigmrg74]

If Rutgers goes to the ACC, it will give the league 6.

I smell TCU may just stay in the Mountain West and try to lure the leftovers of the Big XII-7.

That would be the smarter move right now for the horn frogs. The Big East is going to lose their seat at the BCS table. At least with the Mountain West, and they can get the leftovers in, that might be enough to get the MWC a seat at the BCS table. Or at least make it a bit easier for those that are on the outside to get to a BCS bowl.

I wonder if it's would be the the thing that finally makes the Irish surrender and join the Big Ten? Who else is going to be left in the Big East for their basketball teams to play?

 

[MinnesotaNorthStar]

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that would be the smarter move right now for the horn frogs. The big east is going to lose their seat at the bcs table. At least with the mountain west, and they can get the leftovers in, that might be enough to get the mwc a seat at the bcs table. Or at least make it a bit easier for those that are on the outside to get to a bcs bowl.

I wonder if it's would be the the thing that finally makes the irish surrender and join the big ten? Who else is going to be left in the big east for their basketball teams to play?

{PROVICED.

The BE will exist...just probably not in football anymore...

 

[joecct]

That would be the smarter move right now for the horn frogs. The Big East is going to lose their seat at the BCS table. At least with the Mountain West, and they can get the leftovers in, that might be enough to get the MWC a seat at the BCS table. Or at least make it a bit easier for those that are on the outside to get to a BCS bowl.

I wonder if it's would be the the thing that finally makes the Irish surrender and join the Big Ten? Who else is going to be left in the Big East for their basketball teams to play?

The other Catholic schools. If Villanova had not gone (going) FBS then you could've had a nice 8 team conference.

 

[bigmrg74]

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{PROVICED.

The BE will exist...just probably not in football anymore...

Likely right on that.

The other Catholic schools. If Villanova had not gone (going) FBS then you could've had a nice 8 team conference.

Yeah, but I don't see MSG being all to keen on the idea of hosting a small catholic league's conference tournement every year. Plus there's still the matter of where Cincinnati, Louisville, and South Florida end up at.

 

[kingdobbs]

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Yeah, but I don't see MSG being all to keen on the idea of hosting a small catholic league's conference tournement every year. Plus there's still the matter of where Cincinnati, Louisville, and South Florida end up at.

At this juncture, unless somehow none of the three "Northeastern" schools are among The Elect (which is plausible only in a "Stop at 14" scenario), any team playing Big East football in the FBS this season is gone for other places. Cincy, Louisville, and USF will say "Thanks but no thanks" and try to salvage any football respectability they can try and squeeze out with any Big 12 leftovers (of which there also will not be many).

The Catholics will dry their tears with a raid on the A10 (they're at seven now, assuming Notre Dame hops off the fence, and will go from anywhere from 9 to 12) and possibly Butler. They will, however, need to have an eye on the Olympic sports offerings of their potential mates, because I believe some of the team sports will not have enough members to sustain autobids without the BEFBs (they'll need two for baseball, three for field hockey, one for men's lacrosse once Marquette joins up, and three for women's lax (where they do have an associate member in Loyola)). Dayton and Xavier will cover them as far as baseball is concerned, but the others may require bulking up with associate members.

 

[5mn_Major]

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Couple of thoughts:

- Smart move by the ACC in order to protect itself. Does FSU still go through and move to the SEC?
- Smart move by the Pac. It looks likely TX, TT, OK and OKSt are all heading there. The proposed pod approach will sound exciting to many
- Conservative, consistent approach by the BIG. Two top priorities IMO are is the Big Ten Network and the CIC (academic association). Although the conference retains quality and solid financials by staying at 12...it starts to look relatively like a regional conference (vis a vis the new ACC and Pac conferences) which could limit the BTNs growth.
- Notre Dame likely to stay independent. No question that's their inclination anyways...but there is some thought that the new ACC brings a football division and non-football division which would be a sweet deal for ND.

 

[Priceless]

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Source?

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Pac-12 officials are engaged in "active discussions" with Texas and Oklahoma about how to make the Big 12 schools' addition to the conference work, a source within the Big 12 confirmed to ESPN.com's Joe Schad.

Another source confirmed to Schad on Sunday night that Texas president Bill Powers met with Pac-12 commissioner Larry Scott in Los Angeles this weekend. Texas officials traveled to California to watch the Longhorns game against UCLA.

Earlier, The Austin American-Statesman reported the Pac-12 was working out final details to add Texas and Oklahoma to the conference, along with fellow Big 12 schools Oklahoma State and Texas Tech. The Statesman cited a source close to the situation that stressed the deal is not yet complete, but that talks were "heating up."

A source told ESPN.com's Andy Katz the move to add Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State still has a long way to go before the Pac-12 leadership would be comfortable recommending it to the league's presidents, who have made it clear to the league's leadership that they don't want to expand beyond 12 at this point.

 

[Kepler]

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Yeah, but I don't see MSG being all to keen on the idea of hosting a small catholic league's conference tournement every year.

Totally disagree. That would be a huge event with all sorts of nostalgic overtones, and there's a enormous and wealthy population in NYC/LI/CT who would eat it up. The advertising rates would be north of the Masters. Cardinal Egan could throw up the opening tip off.

 

[Bob Gray]

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Kansas* is the first thing I think of when I hear Atlantic Coast.

*Yes, I know geography means nothing in the fluid (slimy?) world of conference realignment, this just struck me as funny....

There's a lot of this stuff going on. If we see the Big 12 top dogs move to the Pac, then you'll have a Pac-16 conference Southern Division dominated by Texas and Oklahoma teams. Geography is gradually meaning less and less, which is too bad, as having nearby teams is part and parcel of the regional/rival nature of college football.

 

[5mn_Major]

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There's a lot of this stuff going on. If we see the Big 12 top dogs move to the Pac, then you'll have a Pac-16 conference Southern Division dominated by Texas and Oklahoma teams. Geography is gradually meaning less and less, which is too bad, as having nearby teams is part and parcel of the regional/rival nature of college football.

Maybe you saw this but the rumor is a pod approach:

Heartland
Texas
Texas Tech
Oklahoma
Oklahoma St

Mountain
Utah
Arizona
Arizona St
Colorado

Pacific
UCLA
USC
Stanford
Cal

Northwest
Washington
Washington St
Oregon
Oregon St

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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Maybe you saw this but the rumor is a pod approach:

Heartland
Texas
Texas Tech
Oklahoma
Oklahoma St

Mountain
Utah
Arizona
Arizona St
Colorado

Pacific
UCLA
USC
Stanford
Cal

Northwest
Washington
Washington St
Oregon
Oregon St

Then what? the "Divisions" rotate? You play your pod every year, get paired with another pod for your division (play that year) and play 2 more games against the other 8 teams?

 

[Bob Gray]

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Maybe you saw this but the rumor is a pod approach:

Heartland
Texas
Texas Tech
Oklahoma
Oklahoma St

Mountain
Utah
Arizona
Arizona St
Colorado

Pacific
UCLA
USC
Stanford
Cal

Northwest
Washington
Washington St
Oregon
Oregon St

Certainly those groupings make a whole lot of sense. My recollection of reading about the pod idea somewhere is that you'd play within your pod every year and then there'd be some sort of even rotation in playing the other pods.

 

[5mn_Major]

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Then what? the "Divisions" rotate? You play your pod every year, get paired with another pod for your division (play that year) and play 2 more games against the other 8 teams?

If I wasn't so lazy I'd track down the linkie.

But as I recall...additional games would be 1 or 2 against each other pod based on the top teams playing the top teams...and bottom teams vs the bottom.

 

[komey1]

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Totally disagree. That would be a huge event with all sorts of nostalgic overtones, and there's a enormous and wealthy population in NYC/LI/CT who would eat it up. The advertising rates would be north of the Masters. Cardinal Egan could throw up the opening tip off.

I could see MSG hosting the ACC tournament. The star power would certainly be there. The big question for that would be if UNC and Duke would give up the essential home court advantage they have in the current ACC tournament held in Greenville.

 

[Priceless]

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The Nova blog (Villanova) reports that there was a Big East basketball-only conference call this morning, and that West Virginia is gone to the SEC and UConn to the ACC.