College Football 2010: Dude, Where's my Conference?

[Clifton]

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(there is no way the Gophs protected rival would be MSU like Clifton was saying he wouldnt mind)

I didn't say anything about not "minding" a potential Minnesota/Michigan State rivalry.

 

[Handyman]

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I didn't say anything about not "minding" a potential Minnesota/Michigan State rivalry.

You said the helmets in the picture would be the protected rivalries and you wouldnt mind. "I like this split a lot more, even down to the point that the "opposite" helmet could be the protected crossover game in many instances." is the exact quote.

Minnesota is opposite Sparty in that picture, Wisconsin is opposite Iowa.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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Why? For the Gophs it is pretty good (better than the leaked schedule by far) and the conferences seem pretty balanced. We know the MN/Sconnie matchup will be protected and you get your coveted split of tOSU and Michigan.

So what is exactly wrong?

(there is no way the Gophs protected rival would be MSU like Clifton was saying he wouldnt mind)

So being in the opposite division of three of our four trophies makes sense? (Not that PSU really counts but it's still a trophy). Plus we've had a pretty decent rivalry with NW over the past few years. The leaked ones had a good strength split as well. Iowa, Nebraska and Michigan vs. OSU, PSU, and Wisconsin.

And don't act like I specifically wanted an OSU/UM split. You have this twisted sense of reality on what I both I and clifton said.

 

[Clifton]

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You said the helmets in the picture would be the protected rivalries and you wouldnt mind. "I like this split a lot more, even down to the point that the "opposite" helmet could be the protected crossover game in many instances." is the exact quote.

Minnesota is opposite Sparty in that picture, Wisconsin is opposite Iowa.

"Many"="All"

Gotcha

 

[dxmnkd316]

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Like I said on GPL, my guess is that the sources leaking the divisions are going to end up being correct and the picture was just for show (possibly to drum up outrage in people like me so we'll watch)

 

[Handyman]

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So being in the opposite division of three of our four trophies makes sense? (Not that PSU really counts but it's still a trophy). Plus we've had a pretty decent rivalry with NW over the past few years. The leaked ones had a good strength split as well. Iowa, Nebraska and Michigan vs. OSU, PSU, and Wisconsin.

And don't act like I specifically wanted an OSU/UM split. You have this twisted sense of reality on what I both I and clifton said.

I thought you said you did...my lord lighten up Francis... (that goes for you too Clifton, it wasnt like I ripped you just said it wouldnt happen) Save your outrage for the season

PSU is not a trophy game I care about. The jug doesnt get played for every year as is and NW I have no problem missing because they tend to beat us (not to mention we would still play them what 2 out of 5 years which is just fine)

Wisconsin would be protected and Iowa gets played every year and I like the idea of playing Purdue and Illinois every season over the other option. That seems good to me.

 

[JuveGG24]

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And the official press release (well, part of it)

The Big Ten football division alignments will include a division featuring Illinois, Indiana, Ohio State, Penn State, Purdue and Wisconsin, and a division featuring Iowa, Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Nebraska and Northwestern. Each school will play the other five schools within its division and will also face three teams from the other division, including one cross-division matchup guaranteed on an annual basis. The guaranteed cross-division matchups are Illinois-Northwestern, Indiana-Michigan State, Ohio State-Michigan, Penn State-Nebraska, Purdue-Iowa and Wisconsin-Minnesota. Names for each Big Ten football division will be announced at a later date.

 

[Dirty]

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Ha. The Spartans sure take it up the butt on their rival.

 

[mookie1995]

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Ha. The Spartans sure take it up the butt on their rival.

? no matter how else you look at it, that's a solid W from here to eternity

 

[Almington]

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This is like a comment on ESPN.com

You say that it sucks, but don't explain why.

1.) I question if the divisions are truly equal. My gut says no, but I have no evidence to support that conclusion.

2.) Geography increases rivalries, UW isn't in the same division as the THREE schools closest to it.

3.) The protected cross division rivalry is a cop out for not being willing to make the hard choices.

4.) The protected rivalry messes with scheduling you will only play the other teams once at home and once on the road every 5 years. (if the big 10 moves to a 9 game conference schedule in the future, then it would be significantly better)

 

[ExileOnDaytonStreet]

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1.) I question if the divisions are truly equal. My gut says no, but I have no evidence to support that conclusion.

2.) Geography increases rivalries, UW isn't in the same division as the THREE schools closest to it.

3.) The protected cross division rivalry is a cop out for not being willing to make the hard choices.

4.) The protected rivalry messes with scheduling you will only play the other teams once at home and once on the road every 5 years. (if the big 10 moves to a 9 game conference schedule in the future, then it would be significantly better)

I get 1 and 2, though I think that the divisions are roughly equal. 3 doesn't matter to me. As I see it, you either play each other every year or you don't, and whether that happens in a division or in a cross-division game isn't an issue. As for 4... we'll see about that. 9 games is sort of a weird number. There's no way to balance home and away games.

 

[Hammer]

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9 games is sort of a weird number. There's no way to balance home and away games.

Exactly. And there's another issue with the 9 game conference slate. Some schools with big capacities are going to have 5 road games, and thus are only able to schedule 7 at home. Michigan, MSU, OSU, PSU and Wisconsin all have capacities over 75,000 and are reasonably able to fill their stadiums on a regular basis. If you stay with an 8-game Big 10 schedule, you've got 4 road games every year. A smart AD will shoot for 4 non-conference home games more years than not. Michigan and MSU have long standing home-and-home agreements with Notre Dame and aren't able to do so every year, but every other year they are able to have 8 home games total now. Those big stadiums generate a nice boost to the athletic department's checkbook. Follow the money, boys. That's how we got 12-team conferences and conference championship games in the first place.

 

[Patman]

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if I start to hear whining about 8 home dates I'm going to start advocating the 11 game schedule.

 

[Hammer]

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if I start to hear whining about 8 home dates I'm going to start advocating the 11 game schedule.

It'll never happen. We'll go to 13 before we'll go back to 11, and it wouldn't surprise me in the least if we're not there by the end of the decade if there's not a playoff. Especially when a non-con home game for Wisconsin has to bring in, what, $4 mil+? Follow the money....

EDIT: I've been told that Michigan nets about $4 million per non-con home game, and I can't imagine that OSU or Penn State, with similiar capacities, is much different. Proportionately, that would put Wisconsin at just under $3 million per home game, and MSU at $2.7 mil. I'm sure those numbers are probably low, but that's still a chunk of change that the bigger schools aren't going to turn down when given the opportunity.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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1.) I question if the divisions are truly equal. My gut says no, but I have no evidence to support that conclusion.

2.) Geography increases rivalries, UW isn't in the same division as the THREE schools closest to it.

3.) The protected cross division rivalry is a cop out for not being willing to make the hard choices.

4.) The protected rivalry messes with scheduling you will only play the other teams once at home and once on the road every 5 years. (if the big 10 moves to a 9 game conference schedule in the future, then it would be significantly better)

1) I disagree. They're fair. But similarly this is a gut feeling for me as well and I have no evidence either. Besides, you still have to go through the top team in the other division to make it to a championship/preferrable at large.

2) I agree, but will defer to badger fans. If they don't care in general, then I don't have a problem with it.

3) What hard decisions? It's not a cop out at all. If an easy decision exists you should probably make it. This was an easy decision. Sure a couple of these cross division rivalries blow but you weren't going to please everyone.

4) True, but I don't see this as a problem.

 

[Craig P.]

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Big Tenve.

Big Twelven.

Big Twen.

11 Jerks and a Squirt.

The great thing about the "Big Integer" is that it's still correct.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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Big Tweleveten

 

[Craig P.]

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Brian Kelly on NT Ian Williams, "He turned 21 last night, so he was feeling a little older today."

 

[bigmrg74]

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Brian Kelly on NT Ian Williams, "He turned 21 last night, so he was feeling a little older today."

That does sound like BK.

 

[pirate]

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In retrospect I can see how Weis was so focused on the outside appearance of things and how Kelly is better at building a strong team. Having one QB with a reconstructed knee and the 1000th rated defense returning a lot of players causes concern.

If Crist gets hurt then the season could be a disaster. If he stays healthy and the D can turn the talent into performance I think ND could be a big surprise team this year. That is my hope anyway.

Looking forward to Saturday although a soccer tournament will require DVR and watching late that night. We'll see if I can get through the day without hearing the score.