College Football 2009: Where Championships are won by a majority vote

[Bob Gray]

Re: College Football 2009: Where Championships are won by a majority vote

Are you implying people on the west coast can't count?

Not to mention that an Pac Ten expansion consisting of teams like Boise State, Colorado State, New Mexico, and New Mexico State isn't remotely realistic. You don't expand to downgrade your overall product, both athletically and academically. Except for the short-term success of Boise State football, I don't see how those four schools offer anything of interest to the Pac. They'd stay at 10 or expand to 12 rather than add those four.

 

[Priceless]

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Are you implying people on the west coast can't count?

Already been fixed.

In my original draft the Pac-10 stopped at 12 teams and Boise State stayed in the MWC/WAC hybrid.

 

[Priceless]

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Not to mention that an Pac Ten expansion consisting of teams like Boise State, Colorado State, New Mexico, and New Mexico State isn't remotely realistic. You don't expand to downgrade your overall product, both athletically and academically. Except for the short-term success of Boise State football, I don't see how those four schools offer anything of interest to the Pac. They'd stay at 10 or expand to 12 rather than add those four.

They're going to at least 12. The dollars dictate it.

 

[BoomGoestheDynamite]

Re: College Football 2009: Where Championships are won by a majority vote

They're going to at least 12. The dollars dictate it.

I think Bob is right though when he says Colorado and Utah are the only two solid options for the conference to go after. I wouldn't be shocked if they stopped at 12 unless Texas was in play.

 

[Priceless]

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I think Bob is right though when he says Colorado and Utah are the only two solid options for the conference to go after. I wouldn't be shocked if they stopped at 12 unless Texas was in play.

I can see them stopping at 12, but how many dollars does it take before the Pac 10 presidents compromise academics? If the other major powers are expanding to 16, they may decide $$$$ > Academics

I know, it's unheard of that money would trump academics, but it just might happen.

 

[RaceBoarder]

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Just throwing this out there:

What happens to the Bouncy-ball schools of the Big East in this? Does the Big East continue on with the Marquette, St. John's, etc.? I would also be interested to see if the ACC considers bouncy ball in their decisions... I mean, ACC Basketball has to be close to having the pull of ACC Football, right?

 

[Priceless]

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Just throwing this out there:

What happens to the Bouncy-ball schools of the Big East in this? Does the Big East continue on with the Marquette, St. John's, etc.? I would also be interested to see if the ACC considers bouncy ball in their decisions... I mean, ACC Basketball has to be close to having the pull of ACC Football, right?

That's why I put four basketball schools from the Big East in the ACC. Cincy was the odd man out, but it could just as easily be West Virginia. Kansas hoops suffers tremendously under the new format. I imagine the Big East could continue on as a basketball conference of Villanova, Georgetown, St. John's, Marquette etc.

What are the odds that Villanova moves up to D-I in football to join the ACC? 'Nova hoops in the ACC is pretty attractive...

 

[Bob Gray]

Re: College Football 2009: Where Championships are won by a majority vote

I can see them stopping at 12, but how many dollars does it take before the Pac 10 presidents compromise academics? If the other major powers are expanding to 16, they may decide $$$$ > Academics

I know, it's unheard of that money would trump academics, but it just might happen.

I don't think that's how the dynamics play out.

How does adding four inferior schools add more $ for schools already in the Pac? I don't think it would, and it might cost them dollars, as adding New Mexico State does virtually nothing for the conference in any sense, but would get an equal share of conference $. I mean, New Mexico State is one of those filler schools you put on your schedule to get an easy win. If the Pac goes to 16, they'll go to BYU or reach further east before going for someone like New Mexico State or New Mexico or Colorado State. Boise State at least has a good football team, if little else to offer.

 

[Bob Gray]

Re: College Football 2009: Where Championships are won by a majority vote

Just throwing this out there:

What happens to the Bouncy-ball schools of the Big East in this? Does the Big East continue on with the Marquette, St. John's, etc.? I would also be interested to see if the ACC considers bouncy ball in their decisions... I mean, ACC Basketball has to be close to having the pull of ACC Football, right?

I doubt ACC basketball generates near the $ that ACC football does. I haven't seen specific numbers for the ACC, but every time I see numbers between the sports at other schools/conferences, I'm shocked at how much more money football generates.

 

[kingdobbs]

Re: College Football 2009: Where Championships are won by a majority vote

Just throwing this out there:

What happens to the Bouncy-ball schools of the Big East in this? Does the Big East continue on with the Marquette, St. John's, etc.? I would also be interested to see if the ACC considers bouncy ball in their decisions... I mean, ACC Basketball has to be close to having the pull of ACC Football, right?

The implosion of the current Big East leaves the Catholic half in a worse, but not entirely untenable position. The football Big East has many of the good hoops schools, and losing UConn, Syracuse, Pitt, WVU, Cincy and Louisville to various other leagues will hurt the marketability of the others.

My guess is, like might happen if there was a league split down the road, that the BBE goes after Xavier and/or Dayton out of the A-10 to make a really solid hoops conference. But it will hurt their bottom line a lot, and I can't see them continuing to be a major conference without the football schools above.

The ACC will be entirely uninterested in hoops-onlies, and can basically "beat" the Big East by absorbing some of the leftovers (and in a 16 team free for all, they are likely hoping beyond hope that UConn and Syracuse are in that group). Football will drive the dominance in basketball.

 

[bigmrg74]

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That's why I put four basketball schools from the Big East in the ACC. Cincy was the odd man out, but it could just as easily be West Virginia. Kansas hoops suffers tremendously under the new format. I imagine the Big East could continue on as a basketball conference of Villanova, Georgetown, St. John's, Marquette etc.

What are the odds that Villanova moves up to D-I in football to join the ACC? 'Nova hoops in the ACC is pretty attractive...

Yeah, Nova would be good for the ACC, brings the Philly Market to them, and would serve as a nice bridge for BC. They wouldn't mind the shorter road trip in all of their other sports as well. But I would have to think that Nova would need to bring their Football up to the Big East for a while before the ACC would want to bring them in. And I'm not even sure if Nova has a stadium big enough right now to be D1-A. Gotta be at least 20,000 seats, and clearly, they wouldn't be able to rent out the Linc every other weekend.

 

[BoomGoestheDynamite]

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From another forum and I'm not vouching for the accuracy of this, but...

"ESPNRadio reporting that Mike Slive has been in preliminary discussions with 4 schools. FSU, Miami, Georgia Tech, and West Virginia.

Chris Low ESPN's SEC correspondent, and if it was anyone other than him I would call BS ......... man this is getting ugly"

Since I ain't paying for ESPN's insider, I'm not sure exactly how far Low has gone with this report and how much bet hedging he might doing. However if this is reasonably accurate it would suggest the SEC is looking east, not west in this. FSU and Georgia Tech make the most sense, with West Virginia (SEC teams playing on the border of PA in November!) and Miami probably bringing up the rear. Also notable of course is this would likely set of the discussed chain reaction that kills the Big East.

 

[Priceless]

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From another forum and I'm not vouching for the accuracy of this, but...

"ESPNRadio reporting that Mike Slive has been in preliminary discussions with 4 schools. FSU, Miami, Georgia Tech, and West Virginia.

Chris Low ESPN's SEC correspondent, and if it was anyone other than him I would call BS ......... man this is getting ugly"

Since I ain't paying for ESPN's insider, I'm not sure exactly how far Low has gone with this report and how much bet hedging he might doing. However if this is reasonably accurate it would suggest the SEC is looking east, not west in this. FSU and Georgia Tech make the most sense, with West Virginia (SEC teams playing on the border of PA in November!) and Miami probably bringing up the rear. Also notable of course is this would likely set of the discussed chain reaction that kills the Big East.

What's the Insider Link? I'm an Insider so I can access it.

 

[pirate]

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That's it...I'm gonna have to revive my SAC Conference proposal...this reallignment mumbo jumbo is sucking all the fun out of waiting for the season to start...do you think it is all concocted by the guys selling ad space on college football sites?

 

[Patman]

Re: College Football 2009: Where Championships are won by a majority vote

That's it...I'm gonna have to revive my SAC Conference proposal...this reallignment mumbo jumbo is sucking all the fun out of waiting for the season to start...do you think it is all concocted by the guys selling ad space on college football sites?

I'll tell you, its one more stressful thing to think about when it comes up... I've seen UConn sitting out in almost every conversation on this and we're going to start the year ranked.

 

[BoomGoestheDynamite]

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What's the Insider Link? I'm an Insider so I can access it.

Don't have it sorry. It was just quoted in another forum as coming from the insider section of the site.

 

[bronconick]

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I'll tell you, its one more stressful thing to think about when it comes up... I've seen UConn sitting out in almost every conversation on this and we're going to start the year ranked.

If the ACC loses teams to the SEC, UConn would seem to fit their profile pretty well, I'd think, especially since the SEC would be jacking football primary schools and leaving Tobacco Road still in charge.

 

[Clifton]

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[Priceless]

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Don't have it sorry. It was just quoted in another forum as coming from the insider section of the site.

I've seen it reported a few places, and even they admit it's speculation. FSU and Miami don't bring anything new to the SEC, and I'm not sure the University of Florida would welcome them with open arms. It makes more sense for them to look west at Oklahoma and Texas, or even try to pick off Va Tech (Wash DC market) or Louisville.

 

[bigmrg74]

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I'll tell you, its one more stressful thing to think about when it comes up... I've seen UConn sitting out in almost every conversation on this and we're going to start the year ranked.

If the ACC loses teams to the SEC, UConn would seem to fit their profile pretty well, I'd think, especially since the SEC would be jacking football primary schools and leaving Tobacco Road still in charge.

I would have to agree with you bn. UCONN would be a pretty good pick up for a raided ACC. They're a pretty good football program right now, and their basketball teams are both top notch. Plus, they would make a pretty good travel partner for BC as well. Hell, even if the SEC goes Texas and Oklahoma, the ACC could very well make a play for UCONN and another Big East school, like say West Virginia. Both are pretty good in BB, and would raise ACC football up a notch as well. That is of course if the Big Ten has already swiped a few Big East schools already.