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College Football 2009: Bowl College Stupidity Rankings

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streaker said:
You're actually putting ND's defense in that category?

And last I checked, Oregon and Cal give up a boatload of yards, too.
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Can't speak for ND, but Oregon at that point had I believe the top defense in the conference (see what they did to Cal and USC), and Cal had the conference's second best rushing defense (~100 yds per game) at the time.
 
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streaker said:
You're actually putting ND's defense in that category?
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As opposed to Ingram, who finished with Auburn, Mississippi State and (seriously?) Chattanooga.
 
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ND's defense has been hideously awful all season long.

It was no shock to anyone that we were going to get gashed Saturday night, especially considering what UConn did with a team that's inarguably less effective running the ball than Stanford.
 
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Today felt like the sports equivalent of the day you tell your dad/grandpa that you need to take the keys away.
 
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bronconick said:
Today felt like the sports equivalent of the day you tell your dad/grandpa that you need to take the keys away.
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there is always that "be careful what you wish for, you just might get it" aspect to all this too.... but at some point you hope a coach realizes that the school is bigger than he is.
 
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mookie1995 said:
there is always that "be careful what you wish for, you just might get it" aspect to all this too.... but at some point you hope a coach realizes that the school is bigger than he is.
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Except Charlie, of course... ;)
 
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Dude Love said:
What will FrontButt do now?
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bronconick said:
Today felt like the sports equivalent of the day you tell your dad/grandpa that you need to take the keys away.
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No worries about Bobby Bowden. He's probably going to get some cake position at North Alabama. Something to keep him busy like schmoozing with alumni and donors there in Florence, AL so that Terry doesn't have to worry about that so much. ;) :D
 
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Spartanforlife4 said:
Oh, I thought you were talking about this:

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Priceless said:
As opposed to Ingram, who finished with Auburn, Mississippi State and (seriously?) Chattanooga.
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Not even thinking that Ingram is in the mix, just referring to Clausen, Tebow and McCoy versus Gerhart when it comes to comparing schedules, really. Gerhart had a Pac Ten schedule as French rage points out. Compare these schedules with who I consider tough opponents in parentheses, Bowl games do not count:

6-6 Notre Dame: Nevada, Michigan, MSU, Purdue, Wash, USC, BC, Wazzou, Navy, Pitt, U-Conn, Stanford. (USC, Pitt, Stanford.)

12-0 Florida: Charleston So., Troy, Tenn, Ky, LSU, Ark, MissSt, Georgia, Vandy, South Car, FIU, FSU, Bama. (LSU, Georgia,So. Car, Bama)

8-4 Stanford:Wazzou, Wake Forest, San Jose St, Wash, UCLA, Oregon St., Az, ASU, Oregon, USC, Cal, ND (Oregon St, Az, Oregon, USC, Cal)

12-0 Texas: La.-Monroe, Wyoming, T-Tech, UTEP, Colorado, Okla, Mizzou, Ok St, Central Fla, Baylor, Kansas, A&M, Nebraska (Tech, Ok, Mizzou, Ok St, Neb)

12-0 Alabama: Virginia Tech, FIU, North Tex., Ark, UK, Miss, So. Car, U-Tenn, LSU, Miss St, UT-Chat, Auburn, Florida (VTech, Miss, So. Car, LSU, Florida)

Outside of Notre Dame's schedule, (mostly due to teams like Michigan and BC being less than what they usually are) these schedules look pretty competitive to me for any of the candidates. Also includes upcoming weekend games not played yet.

I guess it also depends on who these teams lost to, who they beat and margins of victory against good opponents as well as the individual candidate's stats against good opponents. It all shouldn't factor for an individual award, but you know it does.
 
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streaker said:
Not even thinking that Ingram is in the mix, just referring to Clausen, Tebow and McCoy versus Gerhart when it comes to comparing schedules, really. Gerhart had a Pac Ten schedule as French rage points out. Compare these schedules with who I consider tough opponents in parentheses, Bowl games do not count:

6-6 Notre Dame: Nevada, Michigan, MSU, Purdue, Wash, USC, BC, Wazzou, Navy, Pitt, U-Conn, Stanford. (USC, Pitt, Stanford.)

12-0 Florida: Charleston So., Troy, Tenn, Ky, LSU, Ark, MissSt, Georgia, Vandy, South Car, FIU, FSU, Bama. (LSU, Georgia,So. Car, Bama)

8-4 Stanford:Wazzou, Wake Forest, San Jose St, Wash, UCLA, Oregon St., Az, ASU, Oregon, USC, Cal, ND (Oregon St, Az, Oregon, USC, Cal)

12-0 Texas: La.-Monroe, Wyoming, T-Tech, UTEP, Colorado, Okla, Mizzou, Ok St, Central Fla, Baylor, Kansas, A&M, Nebraska (Tech, Ok, Mizzou, Ok St, Neb)

12-0 Alabama: Virginia Tech, FIU, North Tex., Ark, UK, Miss, So. Car, U-Tenn, LSU, Miss St, UT-Chat, Auburn, Florida (VTech, Miss, So. Car, LSU, Florida)

Outside of Notre Dame's schedule, (mostly due to teams like Michigan and BC being less than what they usually are) these schedules look pretty competitive to me for any of the candidates. Also includes upcoming weekend games not played yet.

I guess it also depends on who these teams lost to, who they beat and margins of victory against good opponents as well as the individual candidate's stats against good opponents. It all shouldn't factor for an individual award, but you know it does.
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You're being real generous with who you're considering tough opponents.

I would actually add Tennesse for both Florida and Alabama. The team isn't that good but Monty Kiffin could have a world class defense with fifth graders.
 
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ND's schedule is currently ranked 24th in Sagarin, which compares favorably to a number of top-ranked teams. We wound up a bit thin at the top end but more than made up for it in the quantity of better-than-average teams.
 
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The Darkness said:
You're being real generous with who you're considering tough opponents.

I would actually add Tennesse for both Florida and Alabama. The team isn't that good but Monty Kiffin could have a world class defense with fifth graders.
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All the teams you bolded are bowl teams, not that this means anything. Miss. has one of the better defenses in the SEC. T-Tech beat Oklahoma who laid out Okla St. Mizzou may be a stretch, but could beat most Big Ten/Big East/ACC teams. South Carolina was more than competitive and Georgia was a flop, but still beat G-Tech.

I thought about Tennessee, but that would be pandering to the SEC is superior crowd. Not prepared to do that, since they aren't all that special.
 
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streaker said:
All the teams you bolded are bowl teams, not that this means anything. Miss. has one of the better defenses in the SEC. T-Tech beat Oklahoma who laid out Okla St. Mizzou may be a stretch, but could beat most Big Ten/Big East/ACC teams. South Carolina was more than competitive and Georgia was a flop, but still beat G-Tech.

I thought about Tennessee, but that would be pandering to the SEC is superior crowd. Not prepared to do that, since they aren't all that special.
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I think Duke and Temple are also bowl teams, so that doesn't mean much.

I'm not sure how you came to the conclusion that Ole Miss had one of the better defenses in the SEC, Miss St. has a better defense and has probably been an all around better team despite the fact that their offense has been non-existent all year.

The entire Big 12 is screwy because of injuries and suspensions and such so who knows how good any of those teams really are. I'm not sure if I'm willing to consider that Mizzou could beat the majority of the Big Ten or the Big East, ACC maybe.

South Carolina has been competitive I'll give you that, but they haven't really been the picture of consistency either.

And I'm sure Georgia beat Georgia Tech because they've concentrated on that offense enough to know how to defend it. Once you take that option off the table Georgia Tech is a mediocre team at best.
 
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Craig P. said:
ND's schedule is currently ranked 24th in Sagarin, which compares favorably to a number of top-ranked teams. We wound up a bit thin at the top end but more than made up for it in the quantity of better-than-average teams.
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That's debatable.

You traded the value of Stanford's good season for a traditionally better, but terrible Michigan, even if your team lost to both of them. Michigan State is an above average team on paper but badly underperformed this season compared to their pre-season press, which hurt your SoS. Navy is an average team with an old option offense that no one knows how to defend anymore. The Irish should have beaten them at home. Purdue underperformed, no bowl. Washington is average, Wash St is bad. BC was pretty average, Nevada is decent, but from a non descript conference that is just starting to gain respect. U-Conn was average. That leaves the three teams that I described as carrying your schedule and you dropped all three games. Talk to me all you want about Sagarin, point is, the Irish won six games against average to below average teams, lost six games, three to teams that were better, and three that they had no business losing to,especially at home, if they were really bowl worthy.

That is probably why, unfortunately, a guy like Clausen is going to be mentioned but not seriously considered for the Heisman.

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BC was 8-4, played a decent schedule, that was ND's best win. Nevada was next, 8-4 although they played a bunch of conference creampuffs. Navy was 8-4 but played a terrible schedule. And, the Irish lost to two teams that finished 6-5 and 5-7. The overall record of Irish opponents is 76-64 with five games left to be played, my guess they'll finish 3-2 to be at 79-66.
 
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The Darkness said:
I think Duke and Temple are also bowl teams, so that doesn't mean much.
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Temple, yes, in the MAC. Not very credible argument, but I realize what you are saying.

And if you don't think Mississippi's defense is worthy of consideration, you haven't listened to Gary Danielson preach enough of that SEC butter. :D They will have some nice NFL draft choices come out of there, though.
 
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I've started a group over at ESPN to pick the bowls once they are announced. The name is USCHO and the password is hockey.

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