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College Footbal 2009: Anybody want to be in the Top 5?

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how's that for optimism?

I'd say it's predicated on believing that we play Washington State for the rest of the season. ;)

The Irish are a very dangerous team with several weaknesses that strong teams will exploit. There are a lot of teams like that. They wind up in the 9-16 slots playing in New Years Day bowls, and after 2007 that's more than enough for me for this year, thanks. :)
 
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Losing the conference title game would allow multiple undefeated teams in one conference, which is what you are trying to avoid. If you can eliminate a team from the playoff process before the BCS starts, all the better.

Not really. You just have to cut down the super conferences by two teams and have everyone play a true round robin (see the Pac 10, Big East). The only conference that can currently produce multiple undefeated teams is the Big 10.
If all the conferences go to 12 teams and play a round robin schedule, that would mean that they would all have to play eleven conference games and leave everybody save for whoever goes to Hawai'i that year with one non-conference game. Then you'll have the problem of figuring out which conference is the best because there will be a smaller sampling of games to prove anything beyond the sophomoric, the _____ is the best because I say they are arguments.
 
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If all the conferences go to 12 teams and play a round robin schedule, that would mean that they would all have to play eleven conference games and leave everybody save for whoever goes to Hawai'i that year with one non-conference game. Then you'll have the problem of figuring out which conference is the best because there will be a smaller sampling of games to prove anything beyond the sophomoric, the _____ is the best because I say they are arguments.
He said cut the conferences down to smaller sizes and play a round robin...not expand to 12.

I'd be for expanding everyone to 12, having divisions set up in the conferences, and having them all play a conference championship. I think it's the closest we'll get to a playoff anytime soon.
 
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He said cut the conferences down to smaller sizes and play a round robin...not expand to 12.

I'd be for expanding everyone to 12, having divisions set up in the conferences, and having them all play a conference championship. I think it's the closest we'll get to a playoff anytime soon.

Expanding the conferences is the easier pill to swallow all round. Schools like Vanderbilt, Duke, Baylor and a few others might not exactly be football powerhouses, but they're usually useful to the conferences in other sports, like Men's Basketball. You start getting schools to slim down to 10, and you'll have nothing but flux going on with the smaller conferences as they fight and probably fracture over the weaker big sisters they've got shots at bringing in, and then having to pick one of their own to kick out as well. Biggest problems would be with the MAC and C-USA, as they would have to lose members to get to 10. And there's not enough room in the Sunbelt in all of those castoffs, so you're going to end up with another conference thats not BCS. WAC and the MWest both have room for one, but there's not a whole lot of teams in the west that would need to relocate, other than 2 castoffs from the Big XII. They'll probably both come gunning for Colorado to leave the XII, and the loser of that bidding war gets whoever else is left, and thats only if the Texas Area Schools of the CUSA faction don't snag that school first.
 
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There will never be an unambiguous national champion until there's a substantial (8 team) playoff. What goes unexamined is whether an unambiguous national champion is worth the diminution of many other values: conference titles, bowl games, traditional NC rivalries, etc.

I don't think it's even close -- a national championship playoff system is to the old (40s - 70s) bowl system what Toronto is to Rome. Clean, modern, efficient, predictable, soulless, and a bore.
 
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There will never be an unambiguous national champion until there's a substantial (8 team) playoff. What goes unexamined is whether an unambiguous national champion is worth the diminution of many other values: conference titles, bowl games, traditional NC rivalries, etc.

I don't think it's even close -- a national championship playoff system is to the old bowl system what Washington DC is to Rome. Clean, efficient, lucrative, predictable, soulless, and a bore.

The Old Bowl system has been wrecked by greed. When there were 10 classic bowls out there everyone fought to get into I might agree. The Meinke Car Care Bowl will be just as worthless under a playoff system or the existing BCS arrangement.
 
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The Old Bowl system has been wrecked by greed. When there were 10 classic bowls out there everyone fought to get into I might agree. The Meinke Car Care Bowl will be just as worthless under a playoff system or the existing BCS arrangement.

I changed DC to Toronto because the public perception of DC is not clean and efficient (although the truth is it is -- well, the orange line, anyway).

I care about the Rose, Cotton, Orange and Sugar. The rest have always been the Astro-Bluebonnet Bowl by any other name.
 
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I changed DC to Toronto because the public perception of DC is not clean and efficient (although the truth is it is -- well, the orange line, anyway).

Ah yes, DC: The town of Northern charm and Southern efficiency. ;)

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WRT championship games - Either every conference should have them, or none should. Simple as that.
 
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Iowa didn't waste much time.
 
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Iowa didn't waste much time.
Neither did Purdue :mad: At least Michigan tied it up on their first drive on a great run by Brandon Minor. Unfortunately, based on the past five or so weeks, it's all downhill from here (that is to say, they always look great on the first drive of the game, then they suck) :(
 
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Snake Oil! Roy Roundtree with a 45 yard TD reception puts Michigan ahead 24-10 with 8:00 left in the 2nd quarter.

Roundtree was the player who was verbally committed to Purdue but switched to Michigan on signing day two years ago that led to Joe Tiller's infamous "guy in a wizard hat selling snake oil" remark about RichRod.
 
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Head-shaking 15-yard penalty against Northwestern. Pretty soon they'll be penalizing offensive players for lowering their helmet while trying to run over a defensive player.
 
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Would bring a sign saying "Oregon, let's be blount, you're gonna lose!" be too esoteric?
 
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Neither did Purdue :mad: At least Michigan tied it up on their first drive on a great run by Brandon Minor. Unfortunately, based on the past five or so weeks, it's all downhill from here (that is to say, they always look great on the first drive of the game, then they suck) :(

:D
 
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Why did you take a timeout Northwestern. Dear God.

For those that missed it, NW has 4th and 1 and they're in their territory up 7, 8 minutes left.

They go for it and make it on a QB but their coach calls timeout right before the play...then punt when they come back from the timeout.
 
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Posting on my phone, so no quotes...anyway, about the earlier conversation about bowls vs. playoff, from the start of the polls in 1936 until the mid 1960s national champions were determined BEFORE the bowls were played, and the bowls were merely prestigious exhibitions. An example: Minnesota did not go to a bowl in 5 of their 6 national title years and lost the Rose Bowl after their 1960 national championship.
 
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Incorrect. The AP started voting their national champions following the 1948 Rose Bowl after Michigan crushed USC 49-0. Originally they had voted Notre Dame #1, but the voters wanted a re-vote after they watched what Michigan did that January. They've done it that way ever since.
 
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