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Colgate 2009-2010

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Hard-pressed to disagree with Magoo & TheGreenCoat. Also don't think we've had too much rest. We're usually booked for every holiday tournament travelling to God knows where, playing more games than most in our league, and this year our results are the same regardless.
 
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Saw Gate just grabbed a goalie from Des Moines in the USHL. That would put 4 goalies on the roster next year, correct?

I do like the fact that the D are playing OK and are extremely young. I see 3 forwards coming in next year and that's it. Hamburg, Wagner and the younger brother of Kevin Mac. No D at this point. That's a lot of returners.
 
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wahoo62 said:
Saw Gate just grabbed a goalie from Des Moines in the USHL. That would put 4 goalies on the roster next year, correct?

I do like the fact that the D are playing OK and are extremely young. I see 3 forwards coming in next year and that's it. Hamburg, Wagner and the younger brother of Kevin Mac. No D at this point. That's a lot of returners.
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Of the six graduating seniors, five are forwards (Carty, Corrin, Cox, McIntyre and Williams) and one is a goaltender (Long). None of the defensemen are seniors and only one, Poplawski, is a junior, so the blue line should remain intact for the next few years.

Goaltending wise, it does appear that Colgate will have four goaltenders on the roster next year with the two listed on the Heisenberg site (Mihalik and Fenkel) to go along with Evin and Bessette. That should make for a crowded crease with someone potentially being the odd man out.

So, with the three forwards and two goalies to go along with another player coming in for next year that hasn't been announced yet (also a forward), you have your complete six-player class. Remember, Colgate, unlike some other schools, does have a roster cap limit.
 
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Wahoo62 I hope you're right, but, again, I'm a cynical little worm...and, please people, no more of this "Gee, Colgate had too much time off" b***s***" that I'm seeing here. Yale hadn't played since 12/05 and they managed to bullwhip a top 15 Ferris State team, 6-1, and then outshoot Wisconsin 18-3 in the third period to get a 2-2 tie in the Badger Tourney. Colgate plays either the easiest or second-easiest non-league schedule (Q-Pac may be #1) in the entire ECAC. Give RPI credit (and I know the issues with Colgate scheduling non-league opponents); they've beaten UNH, BU (even though BU is down this year they're still BU) and Michigan this year. I don't care that much losing to Canisius; hell, Bentley beat UMass). I just wish that ONCE IN A WHILE we could beat a decent non-league team. I've gone over the stats since Don V's arrival and I can name on two or three fingers - in 17+ years - the number of top ten non-ECAC teams that we've beaten during any part of any season. (I include here the "victory" over Michigan in the first round of the 2000 NCAAs since that was, at least in a perfect world, a win). Since 1992-93 we're 19-30-9 in regular season tournaments and our wins are against the following: York, Western Ontario, St. Lawrence (2), Acadia, UMass-Lowell, Northeastern (2), Providence, Niagara (2), Miami (Ohio) - they were essentially .500 that year, Merrimack, RPI, Air Force, Ohio State (below .500 that year), UConn, Robert Morris & Maine (again, well below .500 last year). Let's face it folks: not exactly a murderers row of college hockey. And in ECAC competition our 43-17-6 record against Brown and Union (through 12/31/09) has bumped our ECAC composite above the .500 level. One may assume, in fact, that this is a compliment to the current regime as they DO beat teams that are subpar. My main point here is that the overall talent level is NOT keeping up with the league in the past several years (look at the diversity of Union's roster, e.g.). I continue to believe that the successive losses of Stan Moore and Andrew Dickson has hurt the program, that we were late in recognizing that team speed in college hockey is absolutely essential to success (did anybody see the finals of the WJC on tv?), and that not recruiting in the best developement league in the US - namely the USHL - is going to be a problem. I remain a HUGE fan and will never change, but I'd like ONE signature win (maybe Clarkson in 3/08 does qualify) for this program.
 
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I agree with everything you say except the recruiting out of the USHL part. I will tell you that at least 60% of the players that play in the USHL have their college situations set BEFORE they go to the USHL. Recruiting there is not the answer. It's getting kids like the Wilson kid last year from Syracuse who could be playing in the USHL now if he wanted to but chose to stay home and play. He made the team in Des Moines but chose to come home. Hamburgh had his commitment before he went to the Omaha as well. Wagner was drafted by Lincoln last year and I assume by the type of year he is having, could be in the USHL now, he has a ton of points and was a B on the first NHL central scouting ranking.

All this to say, the trick is to recruit the players before the kids get to the USHL not kids who are there but are not committed.
 
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I wonder how many of you throwing opinions out there about the team and where the problems are were actually out there in Chicago to watch? I get sick of people throwing opinions around about specific players when they aren't even there at the game.
 
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Woodstick said:
I wonder how many of you throwing opinions out there about the team and where the problems are were actually out there in Chicago to watch? I get sick of people throwing opinions around about specific players when they aren't even there at the game.
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What problems did u see that you refer too in Chicago ??
 
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What I saw in Chicago was a Colgate team playing very flat. Most of our shots came from bad angles without any traffic around the net; no one crashing the back side. Very few passing plays to create scoring opportunities and we rarely blocked shots. The two teams we played scored (mostly) on puck movement plays to the backside or established traffic in front of the net. Both Notre Dame and Niagara blocked shots with a passion. We looked flat and frustrated across the roster. No one player was the problem, the entire team was the problem. These were both "team" losses. Our penalty kill and power play are weak.
 
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Both Woodstick and wahoo62 have provided some really decent insight as far as I'm concerned. Thank you both. And I am not unaware that we ARE 5-3-1 in the league (although, again, we had not beaten a team with a winning record this year). Some of my frustration may stem from the fact that I'm approaching 60 (I think my Silver Puck Council membership goes back over 30 years) and have loved Colgate hockey since I was a freshmen. I go to as many games as I can and view/listen to most others. And don't get me wrong: the kids that play for the 'Gate are really quality individuals and that IS a credit to those running the program. Tradition is a hard thing to establish, especially when you have a student body that (by and large) over the last 5+ years doesn't appear to give a **** about their fellow classmates competing at the highest level of college hockey. I just pray we can turn things up a notch over the next few years before I enter a state-run mental facility.
 
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Woodstick said:
What I saw in Chicago was a Colgate team playing very flat. Most of our shots came from bad angles without any traffic around the net; no one crashing the back side. Very few passing plays to create scoring opportunities and we rarely blocked shots. The two teams we played scored (mostly) on puck movement plays to the backside or established traffic in front of the net. Both Notre Dame and Niagara blocked shots with a passion. We looked flat and frustrated across the roster. No one player was the problem, the entire team was the problem. These were both "team" losses. Our penalty kill and power play are weak.
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How was the Goaltending ??
 
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sshablak said:
TEN goals answer anything !!!
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SSHABLAK- Were you there? Ten goals can mean a goalie played bad and ten goals can mean a team played bad. That is what I've been complaining about. You want the team run like a football team where the coach changes quarterbacks after a bad game. Maybe the quarterbacks fault, maybe not. But then you never have a guy in the season flow. We keep changing goalies and blaming goalies - so if Evin has a bad day, let's go back to Long or try Bessette. Once we have a loss with the next goalie, lets go to someone else. How many times was Dex not in the lineup after he laid an egg in the previous game- zero. Any goalie on this team gets blammed for the loss, their fault or not. I don't know how any of them have any confidence and I am sure it is affecting their play. Did the coaches learn anything from last season? Should be even more fun with a four goalie rotation next year!
 
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After reading all this stuff, its time to lay out the Gauntlet. Barring nagging injuries and in preperation of the North Weekend, lets move on from poor outings through the Holidays, and focus on the Balance of the Schedule.

Any Team's Success Starts from the Back First.

First, Goaltending has to be better. If one Goalie is leaking some oil, then someone else has to step to the Plate. If the Second can't, then bring on the next guy. "Who Wants to be the Starter"

Second, The Young Defense which has made some positive strides, needs to make quick and decisive outlet passes so puck transistion through the neutral zone can catch the opponents on there heals, putting increased pressure in the opponents Zone

Third, Our Forwards need to Win more battles along the Boards, need to muck it up in front of the opponent's crease, and return to better puck movement, rather than individual play.

Lastly, Lets have an outstanding finish to 2010, and let a total team "work ethic" be the catalyst to the success.
 
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I agree they have the ability to make a strong push down the stretch. The D will undoubtedly get better with the experience they have had. The forwards are more than capable to put up points. We just need a goalie to take that number 1 spot and hold on to it. Maybe by the time the new rink is up they will have built the following back up on campus.

Let me also say this about that....

If Brendan Whittet at Brown can fire up their student body enough to get 600 to 700 students at a Brown game. The AD should be able to be creative and start running some events to fire up the school spirit on campus.
 
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doghok said:
First, Goaltending has to be better. If one Goalie is leaking some oil, then someone else has to step to the Plate. If the Second can't, then bring on the next guy. "Who Wants to be the Starter"
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Please name me one team that rotated goalies in and out eveytime one has a slight stummble that went anywhere?

What did we learn about goalie rotations last year. We started to make a run when we picked one guy, win or loose, to be the starter.
 
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Colgate's had pretty decent goaltending over the years, essentially starting in Terry Slater's third year (1979-80). For Coach V we've had Brenzavich for four years, Harder for 2+ years, Silverthorn for 3 and Dekanich for 3 as well. Last year was the first time in a long time that one of the goalies did not step it up and claim the #1 spot (I suspect the staff wanted Evin to be the guy - and he might well be - but it wasn't to be in his freshman year). I thought Long played pretty well down the stretch last year and it is tough to evaluate on mere stats alone this year with four freshman D-men in the lineup at certain times. Save percentages lose a lot of their meaning when your penalty kill is awful. Regarding the attendance issue...Jeremy Price was asked what was his biggest thrill in the move to college hockey. His response was playing in his first game (the team's second) against RIT with 7500 in attendance in Rochester. Bottom line: I hope SOME effort is being made by our current AD and others to get some fannies in the seats. Twelve hundred fans per game doesn't help our current guys much and certainly isn't a great recruiting help either.
 
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FWIW, our AD is going on sabbatical, so any boosting of attendance by him is a non-starter. Maybe someone else on the hockey or athletic staff can take over and charge up the student body...

Switching gears, how about 28 goals scored in last night's 3 ECAC Games? And Dartmouth beating Brown, Union all over P'ton, and RPI taking down QU?

Could we be seeing the balance of power shifting toward RPI and Union in the second half. Just goes to show that on "Any Given Fri/Sat Night" anything can happen at any rink in the ECAC....:D
 
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Union is fast becoming the "elephant in the room," with two road wins this weekend - last night at QU. Their recruiting has turned the tide - now in first place in the league.

It's going to be fun entertaining RPI and the Dutchmen later this season at our barn...:D
 
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