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ericredaxe said:
Pecknold does not lack class, nor does Jack Parker. That’s just A tainted opinion from the eagle colored glasses he is looking through.

And yes, we all agree Jerry York was a class act as well.
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I always loved the images of "classy" Jack Parker flipping double birds to the crowd at Munn Ice Arena in the 1990 NCAA quarterfinals.
 
BC/HE said:
Back when BC was playing Quinnipiac in the Frozen 4 (Pecknold) made derogatory comments about BC's team compared to his great squad. Others have chimed in with comments as to his demeanor to opponents as well. I'm sure if you looked for them you will find them. Like I said a Jack Parker clone.
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Makes me think of the time when Leeds United lost their legendary manager Don Revie to the England Team, and Leeds ended up hiring what they deemed to be the most qualified candidate available to replace him, which turned out to be Brian Clough, as then-manager of rivals Derby County, who had made several not-so-complimentary comments about Leeds and Revie. It's all captured in the must-see film The Damned United if you're not aware of how it went down in real life. I mean, what could go wrong, right? As it turns out, plenty ...

... so having said that, if Luce doesn't get the nod at BC, I'm rooting for Pecknold to get it (spoiler alert - don't read past this if you want to see the movie) then to get fired in short order, just like Count Cedorchuk, and eventually resurface at lowly UNH, where he leads the program to the tip-toppiest of D-1 college hockey, just like Clough did at Nottingham Forest. :-)
 
J.D. said:
The no national titles without Cav might mean something but it might not. The post Cav years coincide with the inevitable winding down of York's career. I think Cav has done a good job at UConn but York won Bowling Green's only national title without Cav. It's silly to then think BC won their titles because of Cav.
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No one is saying they won because of Cav, but I am saying he was instrumental. Just like Buddy Powers, great hockey guy, was instrumental in Jerry’s title at BGSU. Jerry was the best college hockey coach ever, but he had great coaches and players with him. To say BC lost their edge after Cav left is not a stretch. To say he’s solely responsible is naive and is evidence you are all clearly misunderstanding.
 
Chuck Murray said:
Yes, of course, the guy who has had one semi-successful season in a decade at Storrs is The Chosen One, because he is a cutting edge transformative force whose awesome awesomeness transcends the bounds of this prehistoric message board. What WAS I thinking???

And yeah, Sean can be a real meanie. Imagine, measuring a HC by wins and losses, and the absence of any postseason accomplishments. Silly Sean, *** does he know about awesomeness?

Despite my prayers to the contrary, I suspect BC will fall into Sean's clever trap and go in another direction, so lucky you, The Chosen One likely won't be leaving Storrs any time soon! :-)

Quick question, since you seem to be someone "in the know" ... do you think Luce gets to sit at the "cool kid's table" with Auriemma and Calhoun at the big alum events in Storrs? Do you suppose he's been able to score an autographed photo or two in the process? Just curious ...
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Only 8 years, including Covid. Played in Hockey East championship this year. And every UConn fan is happy with the growth of the program. You are so triggered by this guy’s success, it’s insane.

Go Eagles! Get ready for another run of natty’s, just sayin.
 
Elbowing said:
No one is saying they won because of Cav, but I am saying he was instrumental. Just like Buddy Powers, great hockey guy, was instrumental in Jerry’s title at BGSU. Jerry was the best college hockey coach ever, but he had great coaches and players with him. To say BC lost their edge after Cav left is not a stretch. To say he’s solely responsible is naive and is evidence you are all clearly misunderstanding.
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I've seen your posts over the years. You've taken it too far in your battle with Chuck but just so I am clear...I think Cav has done a very good job at UConn and would have no problem if he's the guy who gets the job.
 
Paul Goddard said:
Because there's Minnesota State money........

And then there's Big Ten money!

BTW, what's up with The Ann Arbor comment? I follow Big Ten hockey quite a bit and is Michigan looking to move on from Mel Pearson or vice-versa?
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According to the reports since Cole's firing, there's "Big Ten money," and then there's "Michigan State money." Cole's reported salary of around $325,000 is considerably less than Motzko's or Granato's salary, and is even slightly behind Hastings' salary at Minnesota State. Don't know if they intend to up that for a new coach, but if not, they're not luring Hastings with money.
 
J.D. said:
I've seen your posts over the years. You've taken it too far in your battle with Chuck but just so I am clear...I think Cav has done a very good job at UConn and would have no problem if he's the guy who gets the job.
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Honestly, personal feelings aside, I think the best you can credit Luce for on 9 years at UConn is "decent", and that reflects a slight upgrade for this year's results. In my opinion, you have to save very good for someone who's been at his current job (in the same conference) for a couple of seasons less, started out pretty much the same (if not worse) in the dregs of the league, and has since gone on to win a couple of conference titles, made multiple FF trips AND won a National Title. And if Ms. Luce wants further "credit" for the shortened Covid-19 season, the guy at UMass may have been gypped out of a 2nd D-1 title. That (Carvel) is actually what an exceptional job looks like; ditto Walshy and York. A very good job looks more like this:

9 seasons, 8 winning records, 3 trips to the HEA Title game, 2 HEA RS titles, 6 trips to the NCAA's, 2 trips to the FF (Umile)

9 seasons, 8 winning records, 6 trips to HEA Finals w/3 Titles, 2 HEA RS titles, 5 trips to the NCAA's, 1 trip to the FF (Bazin)

Very good arguably looks like this as well:

9 seasons, 6 winning records, 2 trips to the HEA Finals w/2 Titles, 3 trips to the NCAA's (Madigan)

Very good doesn't look like this:

9 seasons, 2 winning records (one in HEA); one trip to the HEA Title game (Luce)

I think BC can do MUCH better than Luce. But if that's who you're OK with, don't let me stop you. ;-)
 
BC/HE said:
No, it wasn't that one either. It was just a short interview not a press conference. Sorry for leading you on these searches. He may well be a different person than I think but that short interview certainly did not sit well with me.
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Rand is certainly no saint but I have never heard him disparage another team or coach publicly, and I find it hard to believe Jerry York would be one to get that treatment. He's come close in some post-game comments but those (that I can recall) were rebuttals to something the other side said.
 
BC/HE said:
No, it wasn't that one either. It was just a short interview not a press conference. Sorry for leading you on these searches. He may well be a different person than I think but that short interview certainly did not sit well with me.
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Maybe it was a short TV or radio hit in between periods or right after a game then? If so, then emotions of the contest may still be running high, and something "extra" spilled out? My thoughts, if that's what happened, then no big deal, cut the guy some slack, and move on. We have enough zombie coaches (including the guy at my UNH), spitting out the same mindless quotes, over and over, so if one happens to be a little "hot", let's give 'em the benefit of the doubt and move on.
 
Chuck Murray said:
Honestly, personal feelings aside, I think the best you can credit Luce for on 9 years at UConn is "decent", and that reflects a slight upgrade for this year's results. In my opinion, you have to save very good for someone who's been at his current job (in the same conference) for a couple of seasons less, started out pretty much the same (if not worse) in the dregs of the league, and has since gone on to win a couple of conference titles, made multiple FF trips AND won a National Title. And if Ms. Luce wants further "credit" for the shortened Covid-19 season, the guy at UMass may have been gypped out of a 2nd D-1 title. That (Carvel) is actually what an exceptional job looks like; ditto Walshy and York. A very good job looks more like this:

9 seasons, 8 winning records, 3 trips to the HEA Title game, 2 HEA RS titles, 6 trips to the NCAA's, 2 trips to the FF (Umile)

9 seasons, 8 winning records, 6 trips to HEA Finals w/3 Titles, 2 HEA RS titles, 5 trips to the NCAA's, 1 trip to the FF (Bazin)

Very good arguably looks like this as well:

9 seasons, 6 winning records, 2 trips to the HEA Finals w/2 Titles, 3 trips to the NCAA's (Madigan)

Very good doesn't look like this:

9 seasons, 2 winning records (one in HEA); one trip to the HEA Title game (Luce)

I think BC can do MUCH better than Luce. But if that's who you're OK with, don't let me stop you. ;-)
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IMO, this is comparing apples and oranges. UConn hockey was not competitive in Atlantic Hockey, or DIII for that matter. There's a difference between being in the dregs of Hockey East and being in the dregs of competitive college hockey. The UConn program did not enter D1 until 1998, many years after all of the examples you mentioned. As a long-time fan, I can say that this year was the best year UConn Hockey has ever experienced, and the last few years have been very exciting for us older supporters of the program. UConn has been very competitive for the last few years and it's been great.

All of your examples are about programs with serious hockey history. I remember Billy Riley running a successful program at Lowell in the 80's, UNH has been a mainstay of New England college hockey for a long time, and of course NU. All of these schools you compare UConn to have very strong college hockey history. How are they comparable to UConn? I'm not following your logic.

Either way, I'm not here to debate, IMO (as a supporter), I am over the moon with the success and momentum of UConn Hockey! I hope Coach Cav stays, but I also understand it's the yin and yang of building a program.
 
LOL at the Rand slander…..no one has mentioned him seriously in regards to BC and why would they? Why would he go to a program he’s never lost to? ;)
 
BigAl said:
LOL at the Rand slander…..no one has mentioned him seriously in regards to BC and why would they? Why would he go to a program he’s never lost to? ;)
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Well, with no national titles you can at least raise the "Undefeated against BC" banner!
 
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