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climate change times are a changin'
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Re: climate change times are a changin'
W. T. F. does that even mean in the current context?
"randomly determined; having a random probability distribution or pattern that may be analyzed statistically but may not be predicted precisely" doesn't quite seem to fit what you seem to be trying to say.
W. T. F. does that even mean in the current context?
"randomly determined; having a random probability distribution or pattern that may be analyzed statistically but may not be predicted precisely" doesn't quite seem to fit what you seem to be trying to say.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: climate change times are a changin'
'Course it does. You tried to sideline what is obviously an argument about tendencies with the "refutation by single example" canard. Everything about human behavior comes with a flotilla of YMMV and SSS caveats. But you know that. Again, you have to up your game if you want to last here -- you're not on Freep or Redstate anymore.
Now, if you want to return to a sincere discussion, we were getting somewhere. (If you want to play the noise machine game that's fine too but life's too short for me to waste my typing on it.) As I said below, I think basic political orientation is a personality quirk. Both leftist and rightist narratives have some validity, but certain people are magnetized to one pole or the other. This is fascinating, because unlike say preferring vanilla or chocolate, political ideas appear to the self to be rational, or at least groping attempts to generalize from observation and logic. The other part that's interesting is political ideas are themselves not trivial matters of taste in their consequences -- it really does matter in the real world whether we adopt a certain policy or not. So here we've got the conjunction of ideas that are rational and non-arbitrary being held for irrational and arbitrary reasons. I can't really think of another case (if I were a religious believer, then religious conviction would be the obvious other case).
W. T. F. does that even mean in the current context?
"randomly determined; having a random probability distribution or pattern that may be analyzed statistically but may not be predicted precisely" doesn't quite seem to fit what you seem to be trying to say.
'Course it does. You tried to sideline what is obviously an argument about tendencies with the "refutation by single example" canard. Everything about human behavior comes with a flotilla of YMMV and SSS caveats. But you know that. Again, you have to up your game if you want to last here -- you're not on Freep or Redstate anymore.
Now, if you want to return to a sincere discussion, we were getting somewhere. (If you want to play the noise machine game that's fine too but life's too short for me to waste my typing on it.) As I said below, I think basic political orientation is a personality quirk. Both leftist and rightist narratives have some validity, but certain people are magnetized to one pole or the other. This is fascinating, because unlike say preferring vanilla or chocolate, political ideas appear to the self to be rational, or at least groping attempts to generalize from observation and logic. The other part that's interesting is political ideas are themselves not trivial matters of taste in their consequences -- it really does matter in the real world whether we adopt a certain policy or not. So here we've got the conjunction of ideas that are rational and non-arbitrary being held for irrational and arbitrary reasons. I can't really think of another case (if I were a religious believer, then religious conviction would be the obvious other case).
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huskyfan
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Re: climate change times are a changin'
the abortion issue is NOT if life begins at conception. obviously it does or the cells would not divide amd grow. that's the hard science you like to talk about. the question is more when does that life become viable, or when does it become "human". and the death penalty is not a liberal / conservative issue, its more like a power of the state to kill issue. not an issue you can easily put into one side or the other.
the abortion issue is NOT if life begins at conception. obviously it does or the cells would not divide amd grow. that's the hard science you like to talk about. the question is more when does that life become viable, or when does it become "human". and the death penalty is not a liberal / conservative issue, its more like a power of the state to kill issue. not an issue you can easily put into one side or the other.
Re: climate change times are a changin'
I've been know to sidetrack threads, but this one is on the off ramp to nowhere.
I've been know to sidetrack threads, but this one is on the off ramp to nowhere.
walrus
Wind up workin' in a gas station
Re: climate change times are a changin'
Huge solar project not doing what they thought and Google wants their money back
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesco...lar-energy-some-technologies-really-are-dumb/
Not sure why they went thermal, why not go right to PV but..
Huge solar project not doing what they thought and Google wants their money back
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesco...lar-energy-some-technologies-really-are-dumb/
Not sure why they went thermal, why not go right to PV but..
Re: climate change times are a changin'
"If everyone agreed that blacks are real people, THEN they would matter. It's just not that simple though. There are differences which allow differing treatment."
"If everyone agreed that blacks are real people, THEN they would matter. It's just not that simple though. There are differences which allow differing treatment."
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: climate change times are a changin'
That cuts both ways.
"If everyone agreed that gays are real people, THEN they would matter. It's just not that simple though. There are differences which allow differing treatment."
That cuts both ways.
"If everyone agreed that gays are real people, THEN they would matter. It's just not that simple though. There are differences which allow differing treatment."
Re: climate change times are a changin'
But that's exactly the same point I just made. So why does age matter so much? Because they can't talk yet? Does that make someone inhuman? Is it the size?
But that's exactly the same point I just made. So why does age matter so much? Because they can't talk yet? Does that make someone inhuman? Is it the size?
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: climate change times are a changin'
Which IMO is just as much a dodge as the old "sacred sperm" routine. But so be it. Have a good day.
Which IMO is just as much a dodge as the old "sacred sperm" routine. But so be it. Have a good day.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
dxmnkd316
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Re: climate change times are a changin'
Holy fking sh.t. We have 50 feet of snow in Buffalo and the Midwest is experiencing one of the coldest Novembers ever due to a massive typhoon and we are still talking about abortions in this thread.
Jfc. Is it raining fetuses? Last time I checked the Dems weren't in power so I highly doubt it.
When did this thread go from science trying to convince the non-believers to science trying to convince the believers?
Holy fking sh.t. We have 50 feet of snow in Buffalo and the Midwest is experiencing one of the coldest Novembers ever due to a massive typhoon and we are still talking about abortions in this thread.
Jfc. Is it raining fetuses? Last time I checked the Dems weren't in power so I highly doubt it.
When did this thread go from science trying to convince the non-believers to science trying to convince the believers?
Re: climate change times are a changin'
The reason to go thermal is because the theoretically efficiency is much higher - if you shine sunlight on a very absorptive surface, better than 90% of the energy will turn to heat. Good luck getting there with PV! I can't believe that the sun shone 75% less than they were expecting - SoCal is in a serious drought and there was PLENTY of sunshine this summer, I promise. So there's definitely something else going on that they're not talking about - their explanation doesn't remotely pass the sniff test.
I'm shocked...SHOCKED...that yet another utility-class solar project failed to produce and will die on the vine. The really sad part is that you can't make money shorting these clowns because the greenies are going to bail them out anyway, because WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF MOTHER EARTH????
The reason to go thermal is because the theoretically efficiency is much higher - if you shine sunlight on a very absorptive surface, better than 90% of the energy will turn to heat. Good luck getting there with PV! I can't believe that the sun shone 75% less than they were expecting - SoCal is in a serious drought and there was PLENTY of sunshine this summer, I promise. So there's definitely something else going on that they're not talking about - their explanation doesn't remotely pass the sniff test.
Re: climate change times are a changin'
Solar is not an economical solution for utility power. Throwing more subsidies at it does not counter that statement - it is evidence FOR it.
The other side of the story is that "they deserved the funds because Congress passed the bill." Well, no kidding - the argument isn't that the additional subsidy is ILLEGAL. The argument is that the solar plant is, in aggregate, a bad deal for tax payers because it is an extremely expensive way to generate power compared with conventional means, and it has significant externalities.
Solar is not an economical solution for utility power. Throwing more subsidies at it does not counter that statement - it is evidence FOR it.
Re: climate change times are a changin'
Solar works best on a decentralized, localized basis. There are plenty of demonstration projects that prove that already.
Solar does not work as a way to power the grid....unless, as Lynah said in an earlier post, you use it as a source of heat to generate steam to drive turbines.
Solar works best on a decentralized, localized basis. There are plenty of demonstration projects that prove that already.
Solar does not work as a way to power the grid....unless, as Lynah said in an earlier post, you use it as a source of heat to generate steam to drive turbines.
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