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climate change times are a changin'

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FreshFish said:
You speak of "science" as if its ideas are immutable and its practitioners are not human beings with powerful vested economic interests. Copernicus disagreed with the conventional wisdom of his time and he was so intimidated that his work was first published posthumously. So much of supposed "science" is intertwined with powerful political agendas that one must be a bit cautious here, I think. People who are "overwhelmingly in agreement" are also getting lots of federal funding for lots of projects, while politicians who promote this agenda get lots of votes so that they can then spend more money to get more supporters.

It is not so much that one side is "right" or not, it is far more meaningful that they try so hard to silence all dissent. Science is open to questioning and data, yet if the science really IS as settled as you represent it, why are people who ask reasonable questions treated so badly, attacked on a personal level, while their questions are ignored?
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So basically for you its one big conspiracy theory. Tell me Fishy, are all these conspiracy theories unrelated, or is there some giant conspiracy department that coordinates them all?
 
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Rover said:
So basically for you its one big conspiracy theory. Tell me Fishy, are all these conspiracy theories unrelated, or is there some giant conspiracy department that coordinates them all?
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Why does it have to be a conspiracy for us to feel like we're not allowed to question it without being shouted down?
 
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that's what I just don't get. if you have valid scientific arguments I'm interested. but it always devolves in name calling from the pro human caused global warming side. which makes me think they don't have any hard science to discuss. open minded. that use to be a compliment.
 
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Shirtless Guy said:
Why does it have to be a conspiracy for us to feel like we're not allowed to question it without being shouted down?
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That's how many issues are now "discussed" in this country. This is just par for the course anymore. And the name calling increases if you call them on it.
 
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Bob Gray said:
That's how many issues are now "discussed" in this country. This is just par for the course anymore. And the name calling increases if you call them on it.
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Oh, I realize that. Its no different than being called a racist, bigot, homophobe for disagreeing with affirmative action, minimum wage increases or believing marriage is between a man and a woman.
 
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Slap Shot said:
I'm smart enough to not misuse nor misapply that fact in debate.
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Having read your posts over the years, I'm ready to believe that, Slap, I really am. But then I have to reconcile that with the fact that you are a loyal gopher fan, and it all falls apart for me.

And I'm smart enough not to misuse or misapply that fact in a debate. :D
 
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Slap Shot said:
That sums up the opposition. They know the truth but they don't want to be inconvenienced.
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The truth is that there has to be analysis on what is feasible, reasonable and what is just no realistic anymore.
Should we just stop producing CO2 tomorrow?
So what, we all stop exhaling, we all stop eating meat because the process of producing enough cattle, cows, chickens, pigs is having a negative impact?
How big is that impact?
How realistic is it to expect us to all go cold turkey on these things?
How positive are you that this is necessary?
How much does this prolonged pause in apparent effects, despite the continued increase in CO2 emmissions, make a reasonable person question previous statements of how quickly we need to react?
 
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Shirtless Guy said:
The truth is that there has to be analysis on what is feasible, reasonable and what is just no realistic anymore.
Should we just stop producing CO2 tomorrow?
So what, we all stop exhaling, we all stop eating meat because the process of producing enough cattle, cows, chickens, pigs is having a negative impact?
How big is that impact?
How realistic is it to expect us to all go cold turkey on these things?
How positive are you that this is necessary?
How much does this prolonged pause in apparent effects, despite the continued increase in CO2 emmissions, make a reasonable person question previous statements of how quickly we need to react?
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Going cold turkey on exhaling and eating meat are very similar levels of commitment.
 
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joecct said:
Traffic jam = no power generated.

How do you clean the things from stuff that drips off vehicles and animals.?
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I like how they're going to be self heating so that snow/ice won't freeze on them. If there were enough solar energy impinging on the roadways to keep them that warm, our regular old boring freaking roads wouldn't freeze either.
 
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LynahFan said:
I like how they're going to be self heating so that snow/ice won't freeze on them. If there were enough solar energy impinging on the roadways to keep them that warm, our regular old boring freaking roads wouldn't freeze either.
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When the heating elements are active, the roadway draws power--they acknowledge as much. I guess the question then becomes whether the power draw is more or less efficient than a fleet of snow plows and whether or not is can be as effective in all conditions.
 
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huskyfan said:
really? you think the first Mendeleev's first 1869 periodic table include Flerovium? Lutetium? Einsteinium? Bohrium? Mendelevium? do you even catch the irony? the point is science is always evolving, discovering new things. discarding theories that don't work. developing new ones.
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Do you truly not understand how completely irrelevant elements being added to a list of elements, is to your science is always changing argument? If it can even be so generously called that. Tell me, what new element discovery falsified the existence of hydrogen. :rolleyes:

this from WorldWatch Institute : animal agriculture produces more greenhouse gases than all forms of transportation. the United Nations report on "Livestocks Long Shadow: Environmental Issues and Options" agrees. vegetarians unite!
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Since sources burn you. It's a report from 2006.

Guess what genius, that's still an aspect of how humans are causing climate change. Something you keep going on about being in question.

huskyfan said:
funny. in some ways we are less tolerant than we used to be.
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It's infuriating that with all the information out there and the almost complete consensus by the people who spend their lives working in the field, it's expected by a certain type of person to get undue respect and to be taken seriously for their unsupported comments, psuedo-scientific garbage, and outright pants on head retarded comments. And when they don't they whine about how their ideas aren't being tolerated.

Communists. :mad:
 
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