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climate change times are a changin'

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unofun said:
Pollution is literally the textbook example of a negative externality. If company X is spewing sulfur dioxide which is causing acid rain 3 states away on homeowner Y's property, that's a negative cost that will not be reflected in the price of company X's goods. Guess how we correct for that market failure?
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Um, you route the smokestacks into the ventilation system that feeds into the company's boardroom, right?
 
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unofan said:
In this thread alone, tiggsy has all but called for the repeal of the EPA and every other federal agency besides the military, the fbi, and the dept of transportation (security and infrastructure).

There is certainly a segment out there that would be fine going back to the days where rivers were on fire in the name of the free market.
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That's quite a leap to make from my comment, don't you think? So you are allowed to make inferences that are huge leaps from my posts but I can't make any connections from yours or Grin's? I see how the game is played.

And so sorry I didn't bother to respond to your post. I must beg your forgiveness. I'll try harder next time because responding to you is the most important part of my day. Especially the ones where you either mischaracterize what I say or take personal digs at me. :o
 
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remember who put the EPA in place? and set it up with flexibility to respond to new info. Richard Nixon. a Republican.
 
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huskyfan said:
is name calling the best you've got? not a very scientific argument. and, yes, the periodic table has changed numerous times as new elements are found.
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It's almost physically painful for you to talk about a scientific argument then double down on your periodic table of elements stuff. You might as well be bringing up the merits of different styles applied of spreadsheets. Or whether or not adding another row will ruin the entire presentation.
of course the climate is changing, always has, always will. I think everyone agrees with this. the cause is the issue.
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The consensus by scientists, who are actively involved in the field, is overwhelmingly in agreement on the cause of climate change.... humans. This has already been pointed out multiple times in this very thread.
 
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huskyfan said:
remember who put the EPA in place? and set it up with flexibility to respond to new info. Richard Nixon. a Republican.
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Yep. And Milhous also got the Civil Rights Act rolling in the South.

A conflicted man.
 
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huskyfan said:
remember who put the EPA in place? and set it up with flexibility to respond to new info. Richard Nixon. a Republican.
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Which is where the expression "the sun shines on a dog's @ ss once in awhile" comes from! :D

Really, even Carter can point to the Camp David Accords as a successful outcome of his otherwise failed Presidency....
 
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Foxton said:
It's almost physically painful for you to talk about a scientific argument then double down on your periodic table of elements stuff. You might as well be bringing up the merits of different styles applied of spreadsheets. Or whether or not adding another row will ruin the entire presentation.

The consensus by scientists, who are actively involved in the field, is overwhelmingly in agreement on the cause of climate change.... humans. This has already been pointed out multiple times in this very thread.
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really? you think the first Mendeleev's first 1869 periodic table include Flerovium? Lutetium? Einsteinium? Bohrium? Mendelevium? do you even catch the irony? the point is science is always evolving, discovering new things. discarding theories that don't work. developing new ones.

this from WorldWatch Institute : animal agriculture produces more greenhouse gases than all forms of transportation. the United Nations report on "Livestocks Long Shadow: Environmental Issues and Options" agrees. vegetarians unite!
 
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huskyfan said:
really? you think the first Mendeleev's first 1869 periodic table include Flerovium? Lutetium? Einsteinium? Bohrium? Mendelevium? do you even catch the irony? the point is science is always evolving, discovering new things. discarding theories that don't work. developing new ones.

this from WorldWatch Institute : animal agriculture produces more greenhouse gases than all forms of transportation. the United Nations report on "Livestocks Long Shadow: Environmental Issues and Options" agrees. vegetarian unite!
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cow genocide is our only hope!
 
huskyfan said:
really? you think the first Mendeleev's first 1869 periodic table include Flerovium? Lutetium? Einsteinium? Bohrium? Mendelevium? do you even catch the irony? the point is science is always evolving, discovering new things. discarding theories that don't work. developing new ones.

this from WorldWatch Institute : animal agriculture produces more greenhouse gases than all forms of transportation. the United Nations report on "Livestocks Long Shadow: Environmental Issues and Options" agrees. vegetarian unite!
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Are you really Palin or Bachman in disguise?
 
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huskyfan said:
really? you think the first Mendeleev's first 1869 periodic table include Flerovium? Lutetium? Einsteinium? Bohrium? Mendelevium? do you even catch the irony? the point is science is always evolving, discovering new things. discarding theories that don't work. developing new ones.

this from WorldWatch Institute : animal agriculture produces more greenhouse gases than all forms of transportation. the United Nations report on "Livestocks Long Shadow: Environmental Issues and Options" agrees. vegetarian unite!
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It's yet another reason to hate India.
 
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GrinCDXX said:
No, no...we just need to fit them with methane scrubbing gas masks and underwear. Problem solved.
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That would be quite a pair of underwear to take out all the methane! Or would we hook their underwear up to a pipeline system to sequester the methane underground. Then we could frack to bring it back up and consume it!
 
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Bob Gray said:
That would be quite a pair of underwear to take out all the methane! Or would we hook their underwear up to a pipeline system to sequester the methane underground. Then we could frack to bring it back up and consume it!
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I was thinking more along the lines of a fairly large tank mounted to their back. Once the technology advanced enough, we could consider making tanks that could also function as rocket transport systems. You heard it here first, fifty years from now, we'll be getting cattle to market my putting them on little carts and having them rocket down the highway.
 
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Foxton said:
The consensus by scientists, who are actively involved in the field [i.e., receiving funding from entities that have a vested interest in having them "prove" one outcome] , is overwhelmingly in agreement on the cause of climate change.... [particularly because anyone who asks a reasonable question about the actual data receives vitriol and ad hominem attacks in response, while the data-based question is ignored. People can be ostracized and lose a career if they are not careful to toe the party line with sufficient obeisance to "received wisdom."].
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You speak of "science" as if its ideas are immutable and its practitioners are not human beings with powerful vested economic interests. Copernicus disagreed with the conventional wisdom of his time and he was so intimidated that his work was first published posthumously. So much of supposed "science" is intertwined with powerful political agendas that one must be a bit cautious here, I think. People who are "overwhelmingly in agreement" are also getting lots of federal funding for lots of projects, while politicians who promote this agenda get lots of votes so that they can then spend more money to get more supporters.

It is not so much that one side is "right" or not, it is far more meaningful that they try so hard to silence all dissent. Science is open to questioning and data, yet if the science really IS as settled as you represent it, why are people who ask reasonable questions treated so badly, attacked on a personal level, while their questions are ignored?
 
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