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Climate Change 3: Whatever you do don't call it a twatwaffle

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Jimjamesak said:
Among other things in my opinion (like telecom/internet utilities).
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Check. Also timber, mining, rail, air transport, and heavy industry.

Means should be controlled by either the workers or the public. Consumer goods should be run by private business but with public good as a requirement of ownerships.

Eliminates both the tragedy of the commons and the perverse incentives of capitalism to destroy the happiness of their users in order to pump up demand.

Kepler's Market Economy: Get Rich Doing Good or Go Fuck Yourself.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
Energy yes
Timber no
mining yes
rail yes
air no
heavy industry no
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To be fair I am all for local worker control of any or all of those industries, except energy, comms, and internet which should be free public goods financed and controlled nationally.
 
Kepler said:
To be fair I am all for local worker control of any or all of those industries, except energy, comms, and internet which should be free public goods financed and controlled nationally.
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I can't wait for the GOP to take control of the internet. I'm sure nothing bad will happen from that.
 
Yeah, I remember reading years ago that it was all due to lazy, greedy irrigation work they did to turn Uzbekistan into a major world cotton exporter. It was quite successful for a time - the Uzbeks were #1 or #2 in cotton exports for years during the 80s and 90s (child labor also helped), but it didn't last and it came at the cost of losing an entire inland sea. The Aral used to have a substantial fishing industry which is now reduced to the deepest remaining northern portion, and only after several years of efforts to recover some of what they lost. Quite the mess.
 
dxmnkd316 said:
The pictures from that are crazy. Is that a spray pattern?!
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I think it has to be. Seepage would be more uniform and follow the contours of the ground.

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My god. I know these things are run at crazy high pressure, but that looks like it was at least 1,000 psig. Looks like it was on a curve too. Guessing a pinched gasket that finally went. I can't imagine a pipe wall failure. But maybe, given the spray pattern. Three distinct phases of the rupture, actually four if you include what I assume is the low pressure seepage near the end.
 
Wait, I'm sorry, what??

The spill raised questions for environmentalists and safety advocates about whether TC Energy should keep a federal government permit that has allowed the pressure inside parts of its Keystone system — including the stretch through Kansas — to exceed the typical maximum permitted levels. With Congress facing a potential debate on reauthorizing regulatory programs, the chair of a House subcommittee on pipeline safety took note of the spill Friday.
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ScoobyDoo said:
This is where plutocracy, stupidity, and Republicanism trump common sense, science, and engineering. It is why there is no hope for this planet.
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I get your feeling, Scooby, but is it true that you can say, "We're doomed!" in 8 different languages? :)
 
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