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Climate Change 3: Whatever you do don't call it a twatwaffle

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Derp, California

August 24: California bans sale of new gasoline-powered cars

August 30: California asks Californians to avoid charging electric vehicles due to electricity shortages
 
bronconick said:
Derp, California

August 24: California bans sale of new gasoline-powered cars

August 30: California asks Californians to avoid charging electric vehicles due to electricity shortages
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Avoid it between 4pm and 9pm if possible, as that is already when electric usage is at its highest. And most electric vehicles allow you to control when the charging occurs, so that it can be done overnight and be ready by the time you leave in the morning. Plus your battery lasts (slightly) longer if you don't keep it at 100% for prolonged periods of time, so getting it to 100% right before you leave is better long-term maintenance. Electric rates are also slightly higher during the 4pm to 9pm window to encourage people to move various types of usage (running a dryer, charging a car) to off-peak hours. So this is a nothing story.

Plus if you have panels it's all moot! Shine on sun, make me some cents!
 
bronconick said:
Derp, California

August 24: California bans sale of new gasoline-powered cars

August 30: California asks Californians to avoid charging electric vehicles due to electricity shortages
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Correction, to avoid charging electric vehicles during peak usage. No different than the alerts to turn your thermostat up a couple of degrees during the afternoon and early evening to save usage. Or telling their interruptable customers they're being interrupted due to peak usage.

Also, the ban is 13 years down the line.

Nice try, though.
 
Geee. You think maybe the United States needs to fucking upgrade their grid from coast to coast? How about water? You think maybe we need to start solving the water problems now? But, like the United States and Climate Change we'll fucking wait till it's too late. Cause that's how we (billionaire's) roll.
 
ScoobyDoo said:
Geee. You think maybe the United States needs to fucking upgrade their grid from coast to coast? How about water? You think maybe we need to start solving the water problems now? But, like the United States and Climate Change we'll fucking wait till it's too late. Cause that's how we (billionaire's) roll.
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In November 1980, the electorate decided to take all the money we could have used for infrastructure and education and health care and research and investment in the citizens of this nation, and give it to the military and the 1%. And every day that decision holds. Until we reverse that disaster (41 years 18 days, and counting), and we claw back all we were robbed of over that period, America will continue to decline.

We have it entirely within our power to reverse a half century of lethal class warfare. Restore Eisenhower's tax brackets and nationalize all assets gained by the rich in the interim.

End the Plutes, save America.
 
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In 1980 the electorate decided to take all the money we could have used for infrastructure and health care and research and give it to the military or the 1%. And every day that decision holds. Until we reverse that disaster (41 years 18 days, and counting) is completely obliterated, and we claw back all we were robbed of over that period, America will continue to decline.

We have it entirely within our power to reverse a half century of lethal class warfare. Restore Eisenhower's tax bracket and nationalize all assets gained by the rich during the last four decades.
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I'm on board and I am and have been voting that way. I pray enough people come with me.
 
bronconick said:
Derp, California

August 24: California bans sale of new gasoline-powered cars

August 30: California asks Californians to avoid charging electric vehicles due to electricity shortages
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Someone reads headlines from The Hill too much...
 
unofan said:
Correction, to avoid charging electric vehicles during peak usage. No different than the alerts to turn your thermostat up a couple of degrees during the afternoon and early evening to save usage. Or telling their interruptable customers they're being interrupted due to peak usage.

Also, the ban is 13 years down the line.

Nice try, though.
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My AC running during peak hours or my electric car charging are to vastly different loads on grid. It will be interesting to see how California handles this change over from gas to electric.
 
walrus said:
My AC running during peak hours or my electric car charging are to vastly different loads on grid. It will be interesting to see how California handles this change over from gas to electric.
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Except most people's electric cars can be charged between 12-6am, when energy is dirt cheap.
 
Saw something this week that huge strides had been made and within 5-6 years, many batteries could be charged in an hour.

homest question- does that add strain or is that just better battery technology?
 
Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
Saw something this week that huge strides had been made and within 5-6 years, many batteries could be charged in an hour.

homest question- does that add strain or is that just better battery technology?
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Both. You need batteries that can be charged quickly, and you need a supply that can provide enough power.

Again, though, the overnight recharges are not a problem - in fact utilities would love people to shift usage to those hours whenever possible. It's the recharges at 4 pm on a hot July day that potentially strain the grid.
 
unofan said:
Both. You need batteries that can be charged quickly, and you need a supply that can provide enough power.

Again, though, the overnight recharges are not a problem - in fact utilities would love people to shift usage to those hours whenever possible. It's the recharges at 4 pm on a hot July day that potentially strain the grid.
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Bingo. And the added benefit in say Northern States is your car is ready to go in the morning fully charged and ready to run even if you warm it up despite not needing to.

(I researched it a lot when I was going to buy a Trsla pre COVID)

Updating the grid is a must and something Elon Musk is strenuously fighting against.
 
unofan said:
Except most people's electric cars can be charged between 12-6am, when energy is dirt cheap.
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I doubt its dirt cheap if the load of millions of cars are added to "off peak" hours. All speculation until we see what the actual load is. I'm guessing the amount of gasoline sold in California on a average day is available somewhere. That could be converted to equivalent KWHs and that would be close to the load needed. I'd think it might be better for CO2 if cars charged during the day to make use of solar??
 
walrus said:
I doubt its dirt cheap if the load of millions of cars are added to "off peak" hours. All speculation until we see what the actual load is. I'm guessing the amount of gasoline sold in California on a average day is available somewhere. That could be converted to equivalent KWHs and that would be close to the load needed. I'd think it might be better for CO2 if cars charged during the day to make use of solar??
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The grids are built to handle peak loads, which typically occur around 4-5 pm on the hottest day of the year. If you increase loads then, utilities need to build more power plants to handle the additional load.

Overnight loads are typically low enough that in parts of the country prices fall negative, especially for wind energy (which still turn a profit because tax credits offset the negative prices). There's a huge bucket of built in supply that is sitting out there unused over night.

What the average consumer is likely to see when electric cars become fully implemented is a change in their bills to include a demand charge. Right now most residential customers just get charged by the Kwh. In the future I expect utilities will start also charging based upon a household's peak KW usage or average of several peaks, which would provide an incentive to spread your usage out more. That's going to hurt when it happens, because most people don't worry about turning every appliance, tv, and computer on at once currently.
 
So I'm taking a first step into the EV world. I put a deposit down on the Toyota RAV4 Prime, their PHEV. 3-6 month wait list on it so it'll be a while, but hopefully by spring I'll have it.

30-40 miles on a full charge, and since it's a PHEV and not the full EV, I'll be able to slow charge it overnight with a normal 120v outlet.
 
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