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Climate Change 3: Whatever you do don't call it a twatwaffle

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MissThundercat said:
A lot of people in my old hometown of Muskegon believe climate change isn't real, as absurdly high Lake Michigan levels cause erosion. Erosion eats away at roads and homes on the shoreline, the road to Pere Marquette park is closed, and water mains under the road have been exposed.
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It seems interesting to me that humans when they build stuff don't consider that water rises and falls and sometimes it rises and falls more than usual.
 
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On a policy level, Rs have the throttle down on catastrophic change. Maybe when they start to experience major economic losses they will change their tune. Unfortunately, the first and worst suffering will be experienced by the non-white poor around the world, not vacationing golfers.

On a personal level, everyone, D or R, needs to witness the approaching shytstorm before they will make personal changes, so the more local flooding and other evidence the better, IMO. Because what we are seeing now aint nothing compared to what we will experience if we don't make drastic changes.
 
ScoobyDoo said:
It seems interesting to me that humans when they build stuff don't consider that water rises and falls and sometimes it rises and falls more than usual.
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If you look back in time, most of these lake levels would probably plot to a nice sine wave. The problem is that with global warming and overall rising lake levels, the axis the sine wave is starting to trend upward.

Years from now, the new cyclical low water levels for large bodies of water will be much higher than the high water mark was years ago.

Other regions will have harder time replenishing water supply because snowpack won't be as thick or last as long into spring and summer, causing less water to "trickle down" as it currently does.

More 500 year storms will be frequently seen. Was it Houston Texas that has had three "Hundred Year Storms" in the last decade alone?

The oscilloscope of weather is going to swing more violently between it's limits if we continue with the status quo.
 
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aparch said:
If you look back in time, most of these lake levels would probably plot to a nice sine wave. The problem is that with global warming and overall rising lake levels, the axis the sine wave is starting to trend upward.

Years from now, the new cyclical low water levels for large bodies of water will be much higher than the high water mark was years ago.

Other regions will have harder time replenishing water supply because snowpack won't be as thick or last as long into spring and summer, causing less water to "trickle down" as it currently does.

More 500 year storms will be frequently seen. Was it Houston Texas that has had three "Hundred Year Storms" in the last decade alone?

The oscilloscope of weather is going to swing more violently between it's limits if we continue with the status quo.
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Well, Al Gore told them this before the year 2000. And we did NOTHING.
 
ScoobyDoo said:
Well, Al Gore told them this before the year 2000. And we did NOTHING.
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And it angers me that some of the very same people who told my generation in high school and college merely 20 years ago about these consequences and that action is needed immediately, are now bleating "fake news," "global hoax," and "I milked *my* money from the system, now go fu** yourself."
 
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One particularly ugly treat we are in for is witnessing what major money interests will do to protect their assets from global military, political, and economic threat as densely populated areas in Asia, Africa, and SA become agriculturally useless or uninhabitable altogether. That ancient dynamic of the haves protecting themselves against the have-nots is about to ratchet way up. If we think we have immigration issues now, just wait.
 
burd said:
One particularly ugly treat we are in for is witnessing what major money interests will do to protect their assets from global military, political, and economic threat as densely populated areas in Asia, Africa, and SA become agriculturally useless or uninhabitable altogether. That ancient dynamic of the haves protecting themselves against the have-nots is about to ratchet way up. If we think we have immigration issues now, just wait.
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I’m at a summit today talking about this exact issue
 
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Wasn't it Exxon who commissioned a climate report in the 80's, and it *nailed* exactly where we would be today if no action was taken?

I'm pretty sure the report was linked here.
 
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burd said:
One particularly ugly treat we are in for is witnessing what major money interests will do to protect their assets from global military, political, and economic threat as densely populated areas in Asia, Africa, and SA become agriculturally useless or uninhabitable altogether. That ancient dynamic of the haves protecting themselves against the have-nots is about to ratchet way up. If we think we have immigration issues now, just wait.
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There is a traditional remedy for that imbalance. Large scale, unrestrained, mass violence. When people's kids start dying they start rioting. When the state fails to respond to their needs, or responds by protecting the owner class and repressing them, then the population withdraws all consent and the state simply evaporates. The resulting anarchy is highly unpleasant and regressive. The existing elite may be mass murdered, and that's nice, but a new elite eventually takes control by force and is even worse. At least the existing elite can spell.
 
aparch said:
Wasn't it Exxon who commissioned a climate report in the 80's, and it *nailed* exactly where we would be today if no action was taken?

I'm pretty sure the report was linked here.
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I’m about to enter a panel with Shawn Otto, really excited to hear from him. I liked his book “the war on science”
 
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Kepler said:
There is a traditional remedy for that imbalance. Large scale, unrestrained, mass violence. When people's kids start dying they start rioting. When the state fails to respond to their needs, or responds by protecting the owner class and repressing them, then the population withdraws all consent and the state simply evaporates. The resulting anarchy is highly unpleasant and regressive. The existing elite may be mass murdered, and that's nice, but a new elite eventually takes control by force and is even worse. At least the existing elite can spell.
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So basically what you've seen in a good chunk of Africa for the past 50 years?
 
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RaceBoarder said:
So basically what you've seen in a good chunk of Africa for the past 50 years?
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I didn't say it was a good idea. I said it's what happens. Maybe if we cut down income inequality and carbon emissions it would be, I dunno, less likely to happen.
 
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Kepler said:
I didn't say it was a good idea. I said it's what happens. Maybe if we cut down income inequality and carbon emissions it would be, I dunno, less likely to happen.
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We should just build more affordable housing in Houston area flood plains. That's worked well for the last 20 years.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
We should just build more affordable housing in Houston area flood plains. That's worked well for the last 20 years.
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I hear the WWC is taking up smoking again. That oughta help.
 
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I just wonder if we're ever going to move past the privatize the profit and socialize the losses mentality. Cause I don't see how that works if we're actually going to fight climate change. Or, medical bankruptcy. Or hunger. Or anything else that ails this society.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
I just wonder if we're ever going to move past the privatize the profit and socialize the losses mentality. Cause I don't see how that works if we're actually going to fight climate change. Or, medical bankruptcy. Or hunger. Or anything else that ails this society.
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Society has a way of doing that every few hundred years. It destroys itself and rebuilds.

Kepler almost had it right. He says that bad things will replace the people who can spell right. Fortunately for us, as time goes on, Id say there’s a 50:50 shot at something better.

Sometimes you get the United States, UK, France. Sometimes you get Russia, Philippines, and Central Africa.

Either way, society is self-regulating like all other cyclical things. Tell enough people to eat cake, and you lose your head.
 
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