Climate Change 2: Thank God for Global Warming

[Kepler]

Re: Climate Change 2: Thank God for Global Warming

All life is barter and exchange.

Thank you, Talcott Parsons. Please proceed to the ash heap of history.

 

[mookie1995]

Renewable resources banned on one million acres of private land. What about the other 18,542.5 square miles of land in San Bernardino county?


(One million acres is only 7.8% of the county)

Why doesn’t nyc build a hydro facility on their waterways to produce energy? Water does flow through the boroughs every single day? Self sustaining!

 

[mookie1995]

Re: Climate Change 2: Thank God for Global Warming

There was one person responsible for the lack of turbines off cape cod...

 

[aparch]

Why doesn’t nyc build a hydro facility on their waterways to produce energy? Water does flow through the boroughs every single day? Self sustaining!

You joke, but...

 

[alfablue]

Re: Climate Change 2: Thank God for Global Warming

When the NIMBY strikes the NGD/AOC.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019...ough Friday 2019-03-07&utm_term=NRDaily-Smart



Plantation. Ouch.

Makes me sad that THEY have the power to say no, but there are plenty of energy production factories located in poorer areas of the country. And instead of having to look at windmills, they are forced to choke on emissions.

Kind of pathetic on their part, if you ask me. THEIR electrical power has to come from someplace.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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Makes me sad that THEY have the power to say no, but there are plenty of energy production factories located in poorer areas of the country. And instead of having to look at windmills, they are forced to choke on emissions.

Kind of pathetic on their part, if you ask me. THEIR electrical power has to come from someplace.

Eventually a Democratic Congress is going to use the interstate commerce clause and clamp down on this. Power generation very often crosses state lines. Hell, I wouldn’t be surprised to see the state government step in and slap this kind of thing down. We’re all in this together.

Right...?


(For the record, I’ve always thought the sight of windmills has a sort of serene calmness. Never understood why people hate them.)

 

[Kepler]

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(For the record, I’ve always thought the sight of windmills has a sort of serene calmness. Never understood why people hate them.)

Beats smokestacks, anyway.

 

[The Sicatoka]

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(For the record, I’ve always thought the sight of windmills has a sort of serene calmness. Never understood why people hate them.)

Noise.
Shadows.
Raptor kills.

But yeah, when you fly over them, and don't have to have them a couple thousand feet from where you sleep, they look really cool.

 

[alfablue]

Re: Climate Change 2: Thank God for Global Warming

Noise.
Shadows.
Raptor kills.

But yeah, when you fly over them, and don't have to have them a couple thousand feet from where you sleep, they look really cool.

I used to think many of those. Until I stood in the middle of a wind farm. Now, not so much. Especially when you compare them to the noise most power stations generate anyway. And the substation buzz that is really annoying.

Anymore, I think it's BS made up so that people like you will buy their con.

 

[dxmnkd316]

Re: Climate Change 2: Thank God for Global Warming

Noise.
Shadows.
Raptor kills.

But yeah, when you fly over them, and don't have to have them a couple thousand feet from where you sleep, they look really cool.

Regarding birds, I'm guessing coal stacks probably kill many more birds when you factor in emissions.
Regarding noise, they probably are noisy if you stand next to it. But considering most are placed hundreds of yards away, GE has stated that the would be about 43 dBA at that distance if you're outside. Which is essentially as loud as an empty large conference room.
Regarding shadows, you might have a point. Morons do tend to be afraid of shadows.

 

[aparch]

Re: Climate Change 2: Thank God for Global Warming

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[The Sicatoka]

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When you have nothing else non-sequitur is the fallback I guess.

Come on by my grandmother's land sometime and tell me about 43 dB. The neighbors allowed towers on their land a half mile away.

Regarding shadows, the only time in my life I've gotten motion sick on/in any vehicle (including cruise ships) was when I was driving a tractor on that land in the late afternoon. The constant swoosh of the blade shadows across the cab gave me motion sickness.

C'mon out here to the energy plantation and see how the other half lives sometime.

 

[aparch]

Come on by my grandmother's land sometime and tell me about 43 dB. The neighbors allowed towers on their land a half mile away.

https://youtu.be/zKgN2G9d0dc
https://youtu.be/QP2szW2abU0
https://youtu.be/DHVkx5x5OTE

 

[The Sicatoka]

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My direct personal auditory/sensory experience aligns to this from Wisconsin. There's a pulsing of the blades in the wind.

https://www.wind-watch.org/video-fonddulacnoise.php

C'mon out to energy plantation and see for yourself.

 

[aparch]

My direct personal auditory/sensory experience aligns to this from Wisconsin. There's a pulsing of the blades in the wind.

https://www.wind-watch.org/video-fonddulacnoise.php

C'mon out to energy plantation and see for yourself.

I can hear a faint swoosh occasionally, but there is way too much amplification of the audio. It honestly sounds like he recorded it with a cassette tape and dubbed it over the video.

Watched a second video of his from the winter, says he's 1600' from the wind turbine (which is aimed directly at the house) and there is a low rumble that could be mistaken for the furnace blowing or air conditioner running (it's that kind of sound).

He speaks quietly, a lot of static on the amplified audio as well, and there is *way* too much noise being generated by the snow melting from his roof and dripping to give accuracy to his claim of 60 dB. Sounds like he's using a directional microphone.


How does the hum compare to living near electrical substations or transformers?

 

[aparch]

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I will give you that there are some people who are overly sensitive to the ultra-low frequencies, which are very hard to prove.

There was one study where people were getting sick from ground penetrating Extremely Low Frequencies that the Government was using in an attempt to communicate with submarines from the heart of Wisconsin.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extremely_low_frequency

So, I'm not discounting your theory, I just think blaming [audible] "noise" isn't right.

 

[The Sicatoka]

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How does the hum compare to living near electrical substations or transformers?

Admittedly anecdotally (as I have no measurements to show data), they both produce detectable noise. The charger noise reaches further because of its height. But both produce a noise (pulsing or humming).

Frankly, large transmission (115 kV and up) lines are just as noisy on a heavy load (crackle) or windy (whistling) day as a wind tower. I try to stay away (like 3000 feet) from those like wind chargers when picking somewhere to live.

 

[The Sicatoka]

Re: Climate Change 2: Thank God for Global Warming

I will give you that there are some people who are overly sensitive to the ultra-low frequencies, which are very hard to prove.

There's an old retired farmer who lives about 3000 feet from the edge of one wind farm (out here on the energy plantation) that says when the wind is 15 MPH if feels to him like when he's by train tracks and the train is going by. I've never experienced that one.

 

[alfablue]

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Well, I can't believe that they are horrible to the point we should never use them. Gotta make power someplace, and the people that get stuck next to the production should be well distributed. Sorry that you have to be sacrificed vs. things dying due to coal pollution- which does happen.

Ignoring CO2, wind has less impact on a larger society and environment than burning most things. NVH pales vs. chemicals.

 

[walrus]

Re: Climate Change 2: Thank God for Global Warming

Regarding birds, I'm guessing coal stacks probably kill many more birds when you factor in emissions.
Regarding noise, they probably are noisy if you stand next to it. But considering most are placed hundreds of yards away, GE has stated that the would be about 43 dBA at that distance if you're outside. Which is essentially as loud as an empty large conference room.
Regarding shadows, you might have a point. Morons do tend to be afraid of shadows.

Tell that to the people who actually live in those shadows. See Mars hill in Maine.

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