Climate Change 2: Thank God for Global Warming

[Handyman]

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Saving the planet to burn the cons.

Its "own" but yes that is exactly what I am thinking

Between this and his budget (which includes a gas tax raise) he has my allegiance for life! He gets it and the proof is how stupified the MNGOP is with everything he is doing. They arent just opposing it is causing them to go suicidal.

On the gas tax...I see lots of whining about it around here. $.20 a gallon is NOTHING. I have a 16 gallon tank so that is a ROBUST $3.20 per fill up. ON HOES!!!! I understand that will hurt transportation (I used to work in transportation) but I also know they arent going to pay that they will find a way to pass it off to someone else. Meanwhile that money can be put to good use making the state better. If an extra $3 a week is my burden to help improve the things around here that need fixing sign me the F up!

 

[aparch]

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I see gas tax increases are popular in the Midwest (MI/MN), and I am so thankful that the stupid mileage tax in lieu of gas tax was tabled in Illinois. Would much rather squeak out a few more dollars via gas tax or just increase license plate fees.

 

[The Sicatoka]

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I’ll bet the shareholders don’t give a **** because literally everyone but you and your merry band of knuckledraggers knows that renewable is the future. .

You must've missed one of the times I've said we'll be living in a carbon-managed future. But carry on with the insults and claimed mind-reading.

 

[SJHovey]

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On the gas tax...I see lots of whining about it around here. $.20 a gallon is NOTHING. I have a 16 gallon tank so that is a ROBUST $3.20 per fill up. ON HOES!!!! I understand that will hurt transportation (I used to work in transportation) but I also know they arent going to pay that they will find a way to pass it off to someone else. Meanwhile that money can be put to good use making the state better. If an extra $3 a week is my burden to help improve the things around here that need fixing sign me the F up!

Money spent on infrastructure is a great idea, but the gas tax is pretty regressive. $3/week for you may be nothing, but for others it is just one more burden. The increased transportation costs, as you noted, just get passed on to the consumer of things like food, and in effect become just another regressive sales tax on that good.

I get the idea of raising taxes on a product that you'd like people to stop using (tobacco, for instance). I personally think that is a possible solution for gun sales. But for many people there isn't a practical alternative, especially outside the metro area. They need to drive their cars, and they need to consume fossil fuels.

 

[The Sicatoka]

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Xcel Energy is going to provide only 100% renewables by 2050. B-B-B-BUT, THEY’RE VIRTUE SIGNALLING! No, they aren’t. Because they know it’s a better investment in the long run and it’s the right thing to do.

They will have contracts for renewable sources that cover 100% of their energy and demand CP values. But, will those sources always be online or will they have to do some energy swapping with baseline load sources (nuclear, captured-carbon coal plants) at times.

Frankly, this fellow might be onto something (or he's on something, (c) Common @ KFAN). He's basically using air, water, and wind electricity and using the produced NH3 as the "battery", a battery that is also a fuel source. That's actually pretty slick. You have to know the traditional fuel supply chain (ExxonMobile et al) hates it.

https://www.ozy.com/rising-stars/he...out-of-thin-air-for-85-cents-per-gallon/92686

 

[The Sicatoka]

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You sound like my father-in-law, who had a literal psychopath for a brother and is himself probably somewhere on the sociopathic spectrum.

Life is someone trying to convince you of something. Always.
What cell phone you use? Which provider? How'd they convince you?

Everything in life is convincing people to see things your way, so you get your outcomes.
(Even Kep admits he con'd Dr. Mrs. into marrying him. )

Everything is a con. (Not all are malicious or malignant.)

 

[The Sicatoka]

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Apparently every press release EVER is a virtue signal...

Yes, Handy, press releases are virtue signalling.
And those are to influence and convince others to a point of view; and, that is the essence of a con.

 

[Kepler]

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Even Kep admits he con'd Dr. Mrs. into marrying him. )

"Pestered" is probably the better word. She didn't care either way so I just kept after her until I locked that down.

 

[The Sicatoka]

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I think we should check the burn ward for all of the Republicans. Their hair must have spontaneously combusted based on the laughable responses quoted in the article.

We’ve already started to cut carbon and increase renewable production. I don’t feel like our rates have skyrocketed like the Republicans reflexively screamed when all of this was proposed years ago.

I like this goal. In 30 years we’ll be ahead of the curve and could be an investment base for green tech companies. In 30 years many of the problems we have today will have been solved. Think about power production tech from 30 years ago. Your calculator may have been solar powered but industrial and production panels were probably just a dream.

My favorite responses though have been, “Good luck heating your homes in -20 weather hurr durr.” It clearly states in the article that this is only concerning electrical production.

30 years? There's a real shot of getting there. And 30 years allows present assets to be managed to an end-of-life without stranding (meaning still have mortgage on coal plant but it's producing nothing) any assets.

But I suspect there'll still be dispatachable carbon-based resources (on site Tier IV+ diesel generators, NG powered electrical plants) on the grid supplying into Minnesota at times.

 

[The Sicatoka]

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"Pestered" is probably the better word. She didn't care either way so I just kept after her until I locked that down.

Pestered is just the abrasive con technique.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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Sadly, shareholder do give a crap, as they tend to be more inclined to short term greed than long term survival.

And that's exactly why it's so hard for a publicly traded company in the US to compete with companies in other countries where short term profits are not the #1 goal.

It sucks, and sucks really bad.

So the whole renewable thing has to be sold to the shareholders before going down that path. Which means lots of R&D to prove that path.

Theoretically, diversity does not need shareholder approval, until it becomes such a big issue that it does drive the stock price down. But that takes visionaries in the companies to understand that all sorts of diversity makes solutions richer and more plentiful.

The US is in a very tough position because of how the shareholder dominates companies. People like sic get their way when they sue.

Companies like Xcel, 3M, Google, Apple, and dozens of others have already begun converting to renewables. I don't think shareholders are the issue. Keep in mind who the shareholders of large public companies are. This isn't like Herbalife or other small fries where people like Carl Icahn can come in and demand changes. Only institutions like Vanguard, State Street, Blackrock have the real power in voting. People like you, me, and Sic don't matter. There aren't many proposals recommended by Boards that are rejected by shareholders.

As I mentioned above, State Street has taken to voting against boards that are all male and will begin to expand this pressure in 2020. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...te-against-more-directors-at-male-only-boards

Diversity and a refocus on the environment are being driven by institutional shareholders for many companies. Some, like the Exxons and Chevrons of the world, still have those proposals rejected. Probably because these institutions know that if Exxon was forced to reveal the lies they've told and all that they know about climate change it would be the Big Tobacco lawsuits all over again. It would be a friggin massacre. Companies like Xcel and 3M have already pushed this forward and shareholders have approved.

 

[The Sicatoka]

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I have a 16 gallon tank so that is a ROBUST $3.20 per fill up.

How often do you fill up? Twice a month? Folks in the metro areas don't put on miles like folks in rural areas. I have relatives filling a tank like that twice a week.

That's where I'd figured you'd be more in favor of a miles-driven based system. Urban folks would benefit based on shorter drives.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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They will have contracts for renewable sources that cover 100% of their energy and demand CP values. But, will those sources always be online or will they have to do some energy swapping with baseline load sources (nuclear, captured-carbon coal plants) at times.

Frankly, this fellow might be onto something (or he's on something, (c) Common @ KFAN). He's basically using air, water, and wind electricity and using the produced NH3 as the "battery", a battery that is also a fuel source. That's actually pretty slick. You have to know the traditional fuel supply chain (ExxonMobile et al) hates it.

https://www.ozy.com/rising-stars/he...out-of-thin-air-for-85-cents-per-gallon/92686

ok

 

[dxmnkd316]

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How often do you fill up? Twice a month? Folks in the metro areas don't put on miles like folks in rural areas. I have relatives filling a tank like that twice a week.

That's where I'd figured you'd be more in favor of a miles-driven based system. Urban folks would benefit based on shorter drives.

You do realize that it takes gasoline to drive, right? And that more miles means more gasoline?

Or do you think we just fill up a car with gas because it's fun?

 

[Kepler]

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Diversity and a refocus on the environment are being driven by institutional shareholders for many companies. Some, like the Exxons and Chevrons of the world, still have those proposals rejected. Probably because these institutions know that if Exxon was forced to reveal the lies they've told and all that they know about climate change it would be the Big Tobacco lawsuits all over again. It would be a friggin massacre. Companies like Xcel and 3M have already pushed this forward and shareholders have approved.

Any time a large company backs a socially progressive program that isn't 100% free to them it means they've done horrific things along those lines in the past. It's their way of getting ahead of the story.

 

[The Sicatoka]

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Diversity and a refocus on the environment are being driven by institutional shareholders for many companies.

Institutional shareholders are still shareholders: If they make move X toward investment Y will it benefit portion Z of their portfolio.

Yes, cynical, but even institutional shareholders are ultimately out for profit. Warren Buffett might be a really nice guy, but Berkshire Hathaway is still out to make (more than) a buck.

 

[The Sicatoka]

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Any time a large company backs a socially progressive program that isn't 100% free to them it means they've done horrific things along those lines in the past. It's their way of getting ahead of the story.

Sadly the case far too often.

 

[The Sicatoka]

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You do realize that it takes gasoline to drive, right? And that more miles means more gasoline?

Or do you think we just fill up a car with gas because it's fun?

Two cars, both weighing 4500 pounds going down a highway: one's a Subaru Outback, one's a Chevy Bolt EV. Both are putting the same wear on the highway; only one is paying for the road under a gas tax.*

To me a usage fee (miles driven) tax seem more realistic toward use of the infrastructures.


*There's what we're not talking about regarding electric cars: We pay for roads with gas taxes. Electric cars won't provide the gas tax revenues used for the roads.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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This is a stupid argument anyways. I want all sales taxes and fees abolished. I want everything to be paid for by income taxes alone. Sweet sweet progressive income taxes.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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Any time a large company backs a socially progressive program that isn't 100% free to them it means they've done horrific things along those lines in the past. It's their way of getting ahead of the story.

And?