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Climate Change 2: Thank God for Global Warming

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GrinCDXX said:
That and "SJW". You'd think "Social Justice" is a positive thing, but you'd be wrong, because 30 year old virgins on reddit use it as an insult.
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When these people yell "virtue signalling!" and "social justice warrior!" they're just repeating their pappy yelling "n-gger lover!"
 
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Kepler said:
This is the most useful expression ever created because as soon as somebody uses it you can just put them on Ignore forever, they're an as-swipe.

Seriously, language is a conveyor of meaning and boy does that expression convey meaning.
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Interesting. I had never heard of this before. And if the use of that word doesn’t prove Sic is completely out of his element and doesn’t know sh-t, I actually am aware of the goings on behind the scenes at 3M. Every project that goes forward goes through several approval phases and now each one of those phases asks how can it be more sustainable or green. “Can we spend more to make it use less energy? Reduce solvent usage? Cut water consumption? How much more?

3M also has extremely aggressive water conservation goals which are also asked about on every project. I’ve been involved in leading roles on several. These projects have virtually zero direct monetary payback.

This isn’t some sort of fake signaling of virtue. They put dollars behind this. Lots of dollars. So, sic, you can kindly p-ss right off with your low information replies.
 
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Actually, my favorite description of virtue signaling comes from Wikipedia.

Irony
A criticism of accusing another person of virtue signalling is that—as Jane Coaston in the The New York Times notes—in doing so ironically one is "trying to signal something about their own values: that they are pragmatic, appropriately cynical, in touch with the painful facts of everyday life".[20] In The Guardian, David Shariatmadari argues that this makes it "indistinguishable from the thing it was designed to call out [reproach]: smug posturing from a position of self-appointed authority".[3] Sam Bowman says of this that "saying virtue signalling is hypocritical. It’s often used to try to show that the accuser is above virtue signalling and that their own arguments really are sincere. Of course, this is really just another example of virtue signalling!".[5]
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That doesn’t sound at all like anyone we know here.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
Interesting. I had never heard of this before. And if the use of that word doesn’t prove Sic is completely out of his element and doesn’t know sh-t, I actually am aware of the goings on behind the scenes at 3M. Every project that goes forward goes through several approval phases and now each one of those phases asks how can it be more sustainable or green. “Can we spend more to make it use less energy? Reduce solvent usage? Cut water consumption? How much more?

3M also has extremely aggressive water conservation goals which are also asked about on every project. I’ve been involved in leading roles on several. These projects have virtually zero direct monetary payback.

This isn’t some sort of fake signaling of virtue. They put dollars behind this. Lots of dollars. So, sic, you can kindly p-ss right off with your low information replies.
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As a shareholder I'm happy they do those things to save costs* (i.e. make more profit) and be better neighbors.

But why the press release if not to ... virtue signal.

I'm saying virtue signalling is nothing but self-aggrandizing to an audience, a con. (And that happens in all directions. I bet certain shareholders/investors are told more about the cost savings than the green aspects of this. Same con, other direction. And playing to those folks' virtues, namely profit.)


*Using less, costs less, after the R&D is done. And the R&D is normally a write-off or tax credit.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
As a shareholder I'm happy they do those things to save costs* (i.e. make more profit) and be better neighbors.

But why the press release if not to ... virtue signal.

I'm saying virtue signalling is nothing but self-aggrandizing to an audience, a con. (And that happens in all directions. I bet certain shareholders/investors are told more about the cost savings than the green aspects of this. Same con, other direction. And playing to those folks' virtues, namely profit.)


*Using less, costs less, after the R&D is done. And the R&D is normally a write-off or tax credit.
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I’ll bet the shareholders don’t give a **** because literally everyone but you and your merry band of knuckledraggers knows that renewable is the future. Just like making sure women are equally represented on the board, protections and benefits are extended to LGBTQ employees, and other benefits that cost money like providing paternity leave in addition to maternity leave. Companies know this is the future which is why so many of the largest companies are signing on to efforts like these.

In fact, I think it was state street that said it was going to start using its enormous holdings to start voting on more progressive causes like equal representation for women.

Xcel Energy is going to provide only 100% renewables by 2050. B-B-B-BUT, THEY’RE VIRTUE SIGNALLING! No, they aren’t. Because they know it’s a better investment in the long run and it’s the right thing to do.

I’ll point this out again.
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/18/...ns-in-its-utilities-carbon-emissions.amp.html

You can choose to live in the Stone Age or you can come with us to the future. Your choice.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
Everything's a con.
Once you realize that the world makes more sense.
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You sound like my father-in-law, who had a literal psychopath for a brother and is himself probably somewhere on the sociopathic spectrum.
 
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So announcing a plan is now virtue signaling? Apparently every press release EVER is a virtue signal...

I am gonna trust Sicatoka on all of this though over the guy who actually works at #M and knows the actual facts.
 
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state of hockey said:
Fool! You're allowing yourself to be brainwashed by someone that is too close to the project!
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Must be all those EMPs Sica is trying to protect us against ;)

Personally I will wait until the Manilla envelope shows up to prove this was all virtue signalling :D
 
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I think we should check the burn ward for all of the Republicans. Their hair must have spontaneously combusted based on the laughable responses quoted in the article.

We’ve already started to cut carbon and increase renewable production. I don’t feel like our rates have skyrocketed like the Republicans reflexively screamed when all of this was proposed years ago.

I like this goal. In 30 years we’ll be ahead of the curve and could be an investment base for green tech companies. In 30 years many of the problems we have today will have been solved. Think about power production tech from 30 years ago. Your calculator may have been solar powered but industrial and production panels were probably just a dream.

My favorite responses though have been, “Good luck heating your homes in -20 weather hurr durr.” It clearly states in the article that this is only concerning electrical production.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
I’ll bet the shareholders don’t give a **** because literally everyone but you and your merry band of knuckledraggers knows that renewable is the future. Just like making sure women are equally represented on the board, protections and benefits are extended to LGBTQ employees, and other benefits that cost money like providing paternity leave in addition to maternity leave. Companies know this is the future which is why so many of the largest companies are signing on to efforts like these.

In fact, I think it was state street that said it was going to start using its enormous holdings to start voting on more progressive causes like equal representation for women.

Xcel Energy is going to provide only 100% renewables by 2050. B-B-B-BUT, THEY’RE VIRTUE SIGNALLING! No, they aren’t. Because they know it’s a better investment in the long run and it’s the right thing to do.

I’ll point this out again.
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/18/...ns-in-its-utilities-carbon-emissions.amp.html

You can choose to live in the Stone Age or you can come with us to the future. Your choice.
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Sadly, shareholder do give a crap, as they tend to be more inclined to short term greed than long term survival.

And that's exactly why it's so hard for a publicly traded company in the US to compete with companies in other countries where short term profits are not the #1 goal.

It sucks, and sucks really bad.

So the whole renewable thing has to be sold to the shareholders before going down that path. Which means lots of R&D to prove that path.

Theoretically, diversity does not need shareholder approval, until it becomes such a big issue that it does drive the stock price down. But that takes visionaries in the companies to understand that all sorts of diversity makes solutions richer and more plentiful.

The US is in a very tough position because of how the shareholder dominates companies. People like sic get their way when they sue.
 
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Making a profit isn't enough for shareholders. Greed, greed, greed. They'll only be happy when the planet and the United States as we know it is completely destroyed.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Making a profit isn't enough for shareholders. Greed, greed, greed. They'll only be happy when the planet and the United States as we know it is completely destroyed.
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Right now, they want companies to have their share prices track what the big tech companies do, which is very impossible. Even attempting to do that is killing us.
 
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