FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
Re: Climate Change 2: Thank God for Global Warming
I see some pretty economically important states more than 50% underwater.
I see some pretty economically important states more than 50% underwater.
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Climate Change 2: Thank God for Global Warming
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Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Climate Change 2: Thank God for Global Warming
I don't care about states or countries -- those are 18th century atavisms. Let's assume we* get over the ape territorial stuff soon. I was thinking globally. How far back are we kicked and how long does it take us to recover?
* To do this we may need to get rid of the apes. To every thing there is a season.
I don't care about states or countries -- those are 18th century atavisms. Let's assume we* get over the ape territorial stuff soon. I was thinking globally. How far back are we kicked and how long does it take us to recover?
* To do this we may need to get rid of the apes. To every thing there is a season.
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dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
Re: Climate Change 2: Thank God for Global Warming
I think we’d see the following;
Mass starvation mostly in the developing world within two years. No cheap energy = no fertilizer
Instant loss of all mass communication until we get cheap flip phones. iPhones become painfully expensive to use. Riots in the streets by day three. We’ve already tested this theory.
Scientific research is stymied. Particle physics and anything high energy probably goes into a coma for years, maybe a decade.
Space exploration completely dies. No way we produce that much energy without petroleum.
I think we’d see a shift in the economic centers to places like Amsterdam and other places that rely on green energy for their current way of life.
Personal automobile transportation is almost certainly dead for at least 10+ years. Too much of the grid would need to be used to just run every day life. I’m not sure how mass transport would fare. Maybe ok. I’m guessing we divert as many resources to just producing food as we can. Certainly in the immediate term.
I think humans never fully recover. It’s like the Great Recession economic activity and pressure drop across a valve. There’s a permanent loss. We might get back to the state we were in but I would think it would be 40-50 years. Maybe 100. But that’s decades of research and development that’s just lost. Entire areas of R&D and science just die. Imagine if the Solvay Conference was blown up on day 1. Would we have discovered quantum mechanics? Maybe. No way to know. But if we did eventually get there, it would have probably taken another 30-70 years.
I’d love to think about this on a clear head.
I think we’d see the following;
Mass starvation mostly in the developing world within two years. No cheap energy = no fertilizer
Instant loss of all mass communication until we get cheap flip phones. iPhones become painfully expensive to use. Riots in the streets by day three. We’ve already tested this theory.
Scientific research is stymied. Particle physics and anything high energy probably goes into a coma for years, maybe a decade.
Space exploration completely dies. No way we produce that much energy without petroleum.
I think we’d see a shift in the economic centers to places like Amsterdam and other places that rely on green energy for their current way of life.
Personal automobile transportation is almost certainly dead for at least 10+ years. Too much of the grid would need to be used to just run every day life. I’m not sure how mass transport would fare. Maybe ok. I’m guessing we divert as many resources to just producing food as we can. Certainly in the immediate term.
I think humans never fully recover. It’s like the Great Recession economic activity and pressure drop across a valve. There’s a permanent loss. We might get back to the state we were in but I would think it would be 40-50 years. Maybe 100. But that’s decades of research and development that’s just lost. Entire areas of R&D and science just die. Imagine if the Solvay Conference was blown up on day 1. Would we have discovered quantum mechanics? Maybe. No way to know. But if we did eventually get there, it would have probably taken another 30-70 years.
I’d love to think about this on a clear head.
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
Re: Climate Change 2: Thank God for Global Warming
how does it get anywhere? stay 'fresh'? cow's farts and poos, are worse than coal
so have to kill all them. peeps will have to grow their own potatoes and carrots and eat them raw to be neutral 
how does it get anywhere? stay 'fresh'? cow's farts and poos, are worse than coal
so have to kill all them. peeps will have to grow their own potatoes and carrots and eat them raw to be neutral 
walrus
Wind up workin' in a gas station
Re: Climate Change 2: Thank God for Global Warming
No cows, no poop, no fertilizer, no peas and carrots
Maine has taken out dams for hydro and permitting is so hard they are left in disrepair. At one point Maine had a lot of their electrical generation due to hydro.
how does it get anywhere? stay 'fresh'? cow's farts and poos, are worse than coal
No cows, no poop, no fertilizer, no peas and carrots
Maine has taken out dams for hydro and permitting is so hard they are left in disrepair. At one point Maine had a lot of their electrical generation due to hydro.
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FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
Re: Climate Change 2: Thank God for Global Warming
Two steps/one step theory. It would trigger a step back on the level of the fall of the Roman Empire. We'd all be living like North Koreans for several decades, at a minimum.
Two steps/one step theory. It would trigger a step back on the level of the fall of the Roman Empire. We'd all be living like North Koreans for several decades, at a minimum.
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
Mookie wants to be in the part that gets to pick a different noko hottie every night!!!
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: Climate Change 2: Thank God for Global Warming
So, the right wingers don't believe the science and actually think that "their" scientists number the same as the ones who believe in climate change. Pretty sure I heard it was like 98-2. Just talked to one. He also believes in tax cuts, etc.
So, there's two trump voters I just got done talking too. Wasted my time. It's amazing how they enjoy being in that 35%.
Intractable.
So, the right wingers don't believe the science and actually think that "their" scientists number the same as the ones who believe in climate change. Pretty sure I heard it was like 98-2. Just talked to one. He also believes in tax cuts, etc.
So, there's two trump voters I just got done talking too. Wasted my time. It's amazing how they enjoy being in that 35%.
Intractable.
If I recall correctly Maine utilities have scaled back operations at natural gas power plants due to supply problems in winter and pricing, offset by importing additional hydro power from quebec. So our consumption doesn’t match up well with generating capacity. Just a couple years ago natural gas accounted for about 50% of the power generated in Maine. Now it’s behind Hydro (30%) biomass (~25%) and wind (20%), but that doesn’t include what’s produced elsewhere and imported to make up for the cut in natural gas power generation.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: Climate Change 2: Thank God for Global Warming
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We are already feeling the early nightmares of climate crisis, & the GOP is doing nothing to stop it - as they have for years.<br><br>I’ve been reading docs all week about how much people knew about climate + when.<br><br>They knew early. & Their goal has been to sow doubt this entire time. <a href="https://t.co/6YjVuKoevZ">https://t.co/6YjVuKoevZ</a></p>— Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@AOC) <a href="https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1095479760174673930?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 13, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We are already feeling the early nightmares of climate crisis, & the GOP is doing nothing to stop it - as they have for years.<br><br>I’ve been reading docs all week about how much people knew about climate + when.<br><br>They knew early. & Their goal has been to sow doubt this entire time. <a href="https://t.co/6YjVuKoevZ">https://t.co/6YjVuKoevZ</a></p>— Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@AOC) <a href="https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1095479760174673930?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 13, 2019</a></blockquote>
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FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
Re: Climate Change 2: Thank God for Global Warming
Well duh, they've been in bed with fossil fuels for 40+ years.
Well duh, they've been in bed with fossil fuels for 40+ years.
D
Deutsche Gopher Fan
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Re: Climate Change 2: Thank God for Global Warming
So the senate passed NRMA act 92-8. This is for land conservation not climate change but putting it here.
The No votes:
Cruz
Mike lee
Johnson from WI
2 a-holes from Ok
Rand Paul
Ben sasse
Some R from Pennsylvania
So the senate passed NRMA act 92-8. This is for land conservation not climate change but putting it here.
The No votes:
Cruz
Mike lee
Johnson from WI
2 a-holes from Ok
Rand Paul
Ben sasse
Some R from Pennsylvania
Re: Climate Change 2: Thank God for Global Warming
I'd be interested in seeing that data
this page has an area chart of generation per state (not consumption)
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...tricity-generation-changed-in-your-state.html
in the case of Maine it shows that in just the last couple years hydro, biomass, and wind overtook natural gas, but it hasn't added much generation capacity (other than wind), and it's not like state are isolated so it's also consuming power also generated through out new england and Canada
I'd be interested in seeing that data
this page has an area chart of generation per state (not consumption)
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...tricity-generation-changed-in-your-state.html
in the case of Maine it shows that in just the last couple years hydro, biomass, and wind overtook natural gas, but it hasn't added much generation capacity (other than wind), and it's not like state are isolated so it's also consuming power also generated through out new england and Canada
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walrus
Wind up workin' in a gas station
Re: Climate Change 2: Thank God for Global Warming
Probably not in Southern MAine but in this area doesn't most of the gas fueling Veazie come from Sable Island. Sable is closed down. Not sure what that means to Veazie but Bucksport hasn't run in years.
The Sicatoka
Kicizapi Cetan
Re: Climate Change 2: Thank God for Global Warming
Has anyone else been paying attention to the look at climate that @ScottAdamsSays has been moderating on Twitter? It's actually pretty good dialog from both POVs.
Has anyone else been paying attention to the look at climate that @ScottAdamsSays has been moderating on Twitter? It's actually pretty good dialog from both POVs.
The Sicatoka
Kicizapi Cetan
Re: Climate Change 2: Thank God for Global Warming
"Science, the foundation of science is doubt. Scientific things are things that are falsifiable, independently verifiable, and make very narrow and risky predictions. Scientific things are not done by consensus, that's politics. The moment you have to get a whole bunch of people to agree on something that's politics. The hallmark of science is you make a scientific claim, I can replicate or verify that claim on my own. That claim has to make a set of predictions that are novel and are unlikely and narrow in how they are defined. They're hard to vary after the fact so if I come back and say, "You didn't match up with your prediction," you're not allowed to more the goal posts too much. And then, those predictions have to be falsifiable. They have to be tested in the real world that may prove those things to be false. This is not me this is Karl Popper, a historian of science."
-- Naval Ravikant from about 10:35 on here
Keep listening.
He makes really good points to both POVs.
"Science, the foundation of science is doubt. Scientific things are things that are falsifiable, independently verifiable, and make very narrow and risky predictions. Scientific things are not done by consensus, that's politics. The moment you have to get a whole bunch of people to agree on something that's politics. The hallmark of science is you make a scientific claim, I can replicate or verify that claim on my own. That claim has to make a set of predictions that are novel and are unlikely and narrow in how they are defined. They're hard to vary after the fact so if I come back and say, "You didn't match up with your prediction," you're not allowed to more the goal posts too much. And then, those predictions have to be falsifiable. They have to be tested in the real world that may prove those things to be false. This is not me this is Karl Popper, a historian of science."
-- Naval Ravikant from about 10:35 on here
Keep listening.
He makes really good points to both POVs.
D
Deutsche Gopher Fan
Guest
Re: Climate Change 2: Thank God for Global Warming
Seriously. **** this guy, **** everyone who voted for him and everyone who didn’t vote or voted for Jill.
“The Trump administration is reportedly creating a group to reassess and counter the government's conclusions on climate change after President Trump became upset following the release of the National Climate Assessment.”
https://thehill.com/policy/energy-e...ittee-to-reassess-climate-science-conclusions
Seriously. **** this guy, **** everyone who voted for him and everyone who didn’t vote or voted for Jill.
“The Trump administration is reportedly creating a group to reassess and counter the government's conclusions on climate change after President Trump became upset following the release of the National Climate Assessment.”
https://thehill.com/policy/energy-e...ittee-to-reassess-climate-science-conclusions
Re: Climate Change 2: Thank God for Global Warming
The dams Maine took out resulted in no net loss in capacity. For the most part they were old obsolete dams that were originally constructed to provide mechanical power to mills and then converted to make electricity. They removed a few low-capacity dams in exchange for permitting to increase capacity at others. The result was no loss in production. The ****s that were removed only produced enough power for a couple thousand homes each.
There really is no where in Maine to build a large-scale hydro project (like on the scale Hydro Quebec builds) that wouldn't displace multiple towns
The dams Maine took out resulted in no net loss in capacity. For the most part they were old obsolete dams that were originally constructed to provide mechanical power to mills and then converted to make electricity. They removed a few low-capacity dams in exchange for permitting to increase capacity at others. The result was no loss in production. The ****s that were removed only produced enough power for a couple thousand homes each.
There really is no where in Maine to build a large-scale hydro project (like on the scale Hydro Quebec builds) that wouldn't displace multiple towns
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