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Christ is Risen!

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Bob Gray said:
That's not a bad description of much of Christian history, and it has repeated itself over and over again. That's why my wife and I aren't big on institutions/rituals. If others get something out of that, I have no problem with it. But I generally find the institutional/ritual/control side of things tends to kill off the spiritual/communal/relational aspects that I think is really what God's interested in.
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This.

Mind if I quote you to my parents? Maybe seeing that enough people think the same way they will finally back off all these years later after not getting married in a catholic church due to all the controls. :)
 
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Tiggsy said:
This.

Mind if I quote you to my parents? Maybe seeing that enough people think the same way they will finally back off all these years later after not getting married in a catholic church due to all the controls. :)
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Feel free to quote me. One guy my wife and I enjoy a lot that talks about relational Christianity a lot and not focusing on structures and rituals is Wayne Jacobsen, who wrote, among other books, "So You Don't Want to Go to Church Anymore?" I listen to his podcasts at: http://thegodjourney.com/
 
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Foxton said:
That is an impressive and daunting amount of bull **** to wade through. Then again that would be the point.
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In this letter, Douhat at least appears to be trying, which is more than can be said for most apologists. I don't find his argument convincing -- it depends on a view of history with his own preferred end in mind, which is ironically the same fault he finds with secular histories. But the lesson I draw is that is unavoidable: our viewpoint doesn't spring from our reasons, our reasons spring from our viewpoint.

In matters in which truth is not ascertainable, I'll defer to intent. In entering into a discussion of faith, if one's intent is to learn about others' different views and compare possible historical or rational explanations and evaluations of those views, that's one thing, and the answers one comes up with are frankly less important than the process and manner of discussion. If one's intent is to mock, bully, and win debate points, that says a lot more about one's own issues than the subject at hand.

Then again, a good one-liner is always hard to resist... ;)
 
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I watched some documentary about the Shroud of Turin yesterday for like an hour. They spent the whole time trying to digitally figure out exactly what Jesus (or whoever the shroud covered) looked like. Spoiler: he had a beard and long hair.
 
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Dude Love said:
I watched some documentary about the Shroud of Turin yesterday for like an hour. They spent the whole time trying to digitally figure out exactly what Jesus (or whoever the shroud covered) looked like. Spoiler: he had a beard and long hair.
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Did he drink White Russians & like to bowl?
 
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Dude Love said:
I watched some documentary about the Shroud of Turin yesterday for like an hour. They spent the whole time trying to digitally figure out exactly what Jesus (or whoever the shroud covered) looked like. Spoiler: he had a beard and long hair.
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I knew I had something for this.
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Dude Love said:
I watched some documentary about the Shroud of Turin yesterday for like an hour. They spent the whole time trying to digitally figure out exactly what Jesus (or whoever the shroud covered) looked like. Spoiler: he had a beard and long hair.
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My secret's out... :mad:
 
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Hmm... maybe He really is risen after all? wouldn't that be a trip? we'll never know for sure...I guess that's what makes it a "mystery" eh?

researchers now believe that the shroud [of Turin] — brought to France from the Crusades sometime in the 14th century and housed in Turin since the late 16th century—most likely dates from the 1st century AD. It’s not, as earlier researchers claimed, a forgery from the Middle Ages.
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The case for its authenticity was dealt a serious blow in 1988 when, after much wrangling with the Vatican, a team of scientists was permitted to snip off and destroy for radio-carbon testing a small piece from a corner of the shroud. The results, announced with great fanfare, seemed to prove that it dated only from 1260-1390, and thus couldn’t be real.

But questions quickly arose about the piece of fabric that had been tested. Critics said the results were inaccurate, because the piece of cloth was not an original part of the shroud, but a repair and reweave done after it sustained some medieval fire damage.

The latest results seem to bear them out. A team from the University of Padua, based on infrared radiation analysis, has determined that the shroud dates from the period 280 BC to 220 AD — i.e., right at the time when Jesus is said to have lived.

Then there are its unearthly properties: Scientists still have no explanation for how the shroud’s image was imprinted on the cloth (it’s not painted on), and have been reduced to speculating...[emphases added]
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of course there is one possible explanation for how the image was imprinted on the cloth that scientists have not (yet) included in their speculations, eh?


all things considered, it's probably "for the best" that we'll never "know" for sure one way or the other based on science alone....
 
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FreshFish said:
Hmm... maybe He really is risen after all? wouldn't that be a trip? we'll never know for sure...I guess that's what makes it a "mystery" eh?




of course there is one possible explanation for how the image was imprinted on the cloth that scientists have not (yet) included in their speculations, eh?


all things considered, it's probably "for the best" that we'll never "know" for sure one way or the other based on science alone....
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I think it's called Faith.
 
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FreshFish said:
Hmm... maybe He really is risen after all? wouldn't that be a trip? we'll never know for sure...I guess that's what makes it a "mystery" eh?




of course there is one possible explanation for how the image was imprinted on the cloth that scientists have not (yet) included in their speculations, eh?


all things considered, it's probably "for the best" that we'll never "know" for sure one way or the other based on science alone....
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That whole thing is shrouded in mystery.
 
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FreshFish said:
Hmm... maybe He really is risen after all? wouldn't that be a trip? we'll never know for sure...I guess that's what makes it a "mystery" eh?




of course there is one possible explanation for how the image was imprinted on the cloth that scientists have not (yet) included in their speculations, eh?


all things considered, it's probably "for the best" that we'll never "know" for sure one way or the other based on science alone....
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And knowing whether the shroud is real is as important as believing whether a big guy sits in the clouds or not.

In regards to faith...if you follow what Jesus had to say...much else in Christian faith doesn't matter.
 
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MavHockey14 said:
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Fresh, I'll pray for you. That someday Christ finds his way into your life. That you may be saved from God's grace.
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Saved from it or saved by it?

It seems to me that the Son of God actually visited us in the flesh twice, once in Bethlehem / Jerusalem about 2,000 years ago, and also 500 years earlier than that, in India as well. Following the latter also leads one to the Divine. Jesus himself never claimed to be the "only" Son of God, that was added later by his followers.

and isn't it seeking the Divine what matters most?


PS thank you for the prayers. I need them. Any help one can get to become a better person is needed and appreciated.
 
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FreshFish said:
Saved from it or saved by it?

It seems to me that the Son of God actually visited us in the flesh twice, once in Bethlehem / Jerusalem about 2,000 years ago, and also 500 years earlier than that, in India as well. Following the latter also leads one to the Divine. Jesus himself never claimed to be the "only" Son of God, that was added later by his followers.

and isn't it seeking the Divine what matters most?
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So once again, the Romans took Christianity and screwed it up? Are you saying they're the ones that started the "only son" stuff?
 
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