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Christ is Risen!
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I'd watch that. Throw in Mothra and I'd record it.
duper
Well-known member
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Did I say it was out of line? I think not. I said it was dumb. Asking someone to quantify something that is an article of faith is dumb. Of course, you know that, you just hope that someone is dumb enough to take your stupid question seriously.
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I look at it a bit differently. I don't think the question was so dumb. Message boards are full of sharing opinions on matters. Afterall by definition faith is like an opinion.
Perhaps the part that was 'less than smart' was me expecting any other response than was given. F seems to think the Bible has to be literal (still not sure why) when the cornerstone approach of Jesus' (or God's) whole message was metaphorical. So based on that and the tone used, discussion with him/her does seem a waste.
I look at it a bit differently. I don't think the question was so dumb. Message boards are full of sharing opinions on matters. Afterall by definition faith is like an opinion.
Perhaps the part that was 'less than smart' was me expecting any other response than was given. F seems to think the Bible has to be literal (still not sure why) when the cornerstone approach of Jesus' (or God's) whole message was metaphorical. So based on that and the tone used, discussion with him/her does seem a waste.
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I think you're right about that. Asking someone to explain faith is pretty pointless. There is no "rational" explanation which is why it's called faith. The other confusing thing is why those so anti-religion think that all followers are litteral when it comes to the bible. Do people really think they are drinking blood in church? Not likely. Of course there are those hard core nutjobs out there which they typically point to as examples, but everyone knows those are very rare exceptions. Most religious folk are normal people who are just looking for something higher to believe in to help them make sense of things in the world.
I think you're right about that. Asking someone to explain faith is pretty pointless. There is no "rational" explanation which is why it's called faith. The other confusing thing is why those so anti-religion think that all followers are litteral when it comes to the bible. Do people really think they are drinking blood in church? Not likely. Of course there are those hard core nutjobs out there which they typically point to as examples, but everyone knows those are very rare exceptions. Most religious folk are normal people who are just looking for something higher to believe in to help them make sense of things in the world.
Foxton
Banned
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What I asked, and you ignored, was an explanation on how you decide what should and shouldn't be taken literally in your favorite book of divine truth. I'm not asking you to detail why you believe, or whatever experience let Jesus come into you like god did into Mary, but what's your yard stick to decide if this is too extreme to be believed and this is just right.
Because by your response, clearly your faith is built upon whatever you find to be acceptable at the time and if the next passage is unacceptable then you just ignore it. There is nothing deeper to it, it's just a vacuous position of 'because I said so'.
What a joke.
I don't think anything, I know that throughout it's history it has been intended to be taken literally. You wanted to bring up universities as if they supported christianity, but don't even know what they studied in them.
What I asked, and you ignored, was an explanation on how you decide what should and shouldn't be taken literally in your favorite book of divine truth. I'm not asking you to detail why you believe, or whatever experience let Jesus come into you like god did into Mary, but what's your yard stick to decide if this is too extreme to be believed and this is just right.
Because by your response, clearly your faith is built upon whatever you find to be acceptable at the time and if the next passage is unacceptable then you just ignore it. There is nothing deeper to it, it's just a vacuous position of 'because I said so'.
What a joke.
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isn't that what the other posters have been maintaining all along?
isn't that what the other posters have been maintaining all along?
busterman62
I got a pocket full of kryptonite
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What he actually said was:
Shame on you. You purposefully edited Foxton's comments to make a joke.isn't that what the other posters have been maintaining all along?
What he actually said was:
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From your same link...
So which one is it? Can't be both. Unless you're trying to say that Catholics believe something without knowing it's what the Church is teaching.
Then again, that is what faith is all about. You need to suspend what you know to be true and believe something higher.
From your same link...
So which one is it? Can't be both. Unless you're trying to say that Catholics believe something without knowing it's what the Church is teaching.
Then again, that is what faith is all about. You need to suspend what you know to be true and believe something higher.
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Foxton
Banned
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
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I have to wonder what sort of trauma you experienced in church to give you such an extreme reaction to this subject.
I have to wonder what sort of trauma you experienced in church to give you such an extreme reaction to this subject.
MUnRPI
New member
Foxton
Banned
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Because what possible reason could i have otherwise to find your faith abhorrent than some bad experience.
A sunday school teacher stole my 5$ then later called me the devil. Honestly in hindsight I feel kind of flattered about the latter. Not everyday you get confused for a supernatural being.
Because what possible reason could i have otherwise to find your faith abhorrent than some bad experience.
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Exactly my point. Why do you care what I do and don't believe? I jumped into this pretty late and am not really throwing my faith in anyone's face. I'm being pretty careful to let specifics about my own beliefs out there because it doesn't matter in the big picture and it's likely at least slightly different than everyone else.
Are you one of those people who gets offended when someone wishes you merry christmas because it's a religious holiday or see crosses for memorials on public land? You gotta lighten up if that's the case.
Exactly my point. Why do you care what I do and don't believe? I jumped into this pretty late and am not really throwing my faith in anyone's face. I'm being pretty careful to let specifics about my own beliefs out there because it doesn't matter in the big picture and it's likely at least slightly different than everyone else.
Are you one of those people who gets offended when someone wishes you merry christmas because it's a religious holiday or see crosses for memorials on public land? You gotta lighten up if that's the case.
Foxton
Banned
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If those crosses don't come with the caveat that no other religious icon will be allowed and they'll be there forever, then no. But that would never happen, would it?
Was I the one to start the thread? And I just can't stand seeing people blindly follow a snake oil salesman without speaking up. Especially with the kind of vapid reasons they have given in this thread for why they do. Also, considering the current political climate where religious zealots are interested in legislating from behind the pages of a bible, there's little reason to give any of it a free pass since the people who were parroting praise at the beginning of this thread are the silent majority who give them power.
Then it also doesn't matter if I point and laugh at the kid who still believes in santa claus and the easter bunny. Exactly how many supernatural claims do you hold with highest respect?
Nope, I do get offended that they think christmas has anything to do with their jewish zombie outside of the manger scene. Remember jesus is the reason for the season, if you're completely retarded, and as much of a student of history as 5mn major is.
If those crosses don't come with the caveat that no other religious icon will be allowed and they'll be there forever, then no. But that would never happen, would it?
leswp1
Well-known member
Re: Christ is Risen!
We've been around this bend before.Sadly the concept of live and let live is not OK when it comes to religion for Foxton. Some of the discussion is very interesting (sorry Kep) and helpful to understand why there is a negative reaction. What puzzles me is the obsessive need Foxton has to insert all this animus into a thread started for people to rejoice. There is a difference between intelligent discourse and nasty. Happens every yr. Easier to just ignore (ignore is such a lovely fieature!) the venom, read the intelligent stuff and remember what the original purpose of the thread is.
leswp1
Well-known member
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My husband (Lapsed Catholic) will tell you with a chuckle "Its a mystery! You aren't supposed to think about it!!"