Jimjamesak
Already insane, UAA making it worse
Well, there you go, everybody was right.
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Chess
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XYZ
Smoking in the selection room.
Re: Chess
I wonder if you're allowed to sauce up during a game in a big event like this. I do know there are doping regulations and both players have been tested at least once during the match (after game 7 or 8 maybe?), but I don't know what's on the banned list. Doping in chess sounds rather comical on its face, but if it can be widespread in something like snooker...some of the substances used there could certainly pay dividends in a game like chess.
I wonder if you're allowed to sauce up during a game in a big event like this. I do know there are doping regulations and both players have been tested at least once during the match (after game 7 or 8 maybe?), but I don't know what's on the banned list. Doping in chess sounds rather comical on its face, but if it can be widespread in something like snooker...some of the substances used there could certainly pay dividends in a game like chess.
XYZ
Smoking in the selection room.
Re: Chess
Huge annual tournament is coming up from Jan 9-25 and it's a completely loaded field this year. If I had to guess I'd say this might be the official big coming out party for Caruana. The guy is a complete freakshow.
Forgot if I posted this earlier in the thread but this article chronicles his first bout of dominance. If he winds it up and stomps Tata in anywhere near similar fashion it would be a statement of huge proportions.
All matches are viewable online and if it's like past years you can toggle between them any time you wish.
Huge annual tournament is coming up from Jan 9-25 and it's a completely loaded field this year. If I had to guess I'd say this might be the official big coming out party for Caruana. The guy is a complete freakshow.
Forgot if I posted this earlier in the thread but this article chronicles his first bout of dominance. If he winds it up and stomps Tata in anywhere near similar fashion it would be a statement of huge proportions.
All matches are viewable online and if it's like past years you can toggle between them any time you wish.
XYZ
Smoking in the selection room.
Re: Chess
Two days of Tata in the books...and Caruana is the only player to have won twice. To be fair, he hasn't faced any of the true heavyweights yet (Carlsen-Giri-MVL-Aronian) but his two wins have him atop the standings regardless. To be doubly fair, everyone at this level is a heavyweight but a win with black at this level is quite the achievement, period.
Pair of fairly pedestrian draws for Carlsen thus far, including one against Giri on day one. Giri also drew with Aronian on day two . Things get a bit tougher for Caruana later today as he plays black against Giri. Meanwhile Carlsen will also play black, and he draws world #15 Radoslaw Wojtaszek.
Only five wins total through the first two days and the only player who is pointless is women's world champion and overall world #70 Yifan Hou. Which always makes me wonder why the rankings are so dominated by men. I know far more men play the game but one would think that enough women play that a few world class savants would be floating around. Hmph, ah well, I'm sure this has been covered extensively over the years somewhere. Perhaps I shall try to find out where.
Two days of Tata in the books...and Caruana is the only player to have won twice. To be fair, he hasn't faced any of the true heavyweights yet (Carlsen-Giri-MVL-Aronian) but his two wins have him atop the standings regardless. To be doubly fair, everyone at this level is a heavyweight but a win with black at this level is quite the achievement, period.
Pair of fairly pedestrian draws for Carlsen thus far, including one against Giri on day one. Giri also drew with Aronian on day two . Things get a bit tougher for Caruana later today as he plays black against Giri. Meanwhile Carlsen will also play black, and he draws world #15 Radoslaw Wojtaszek.
Only five wins total through the first two days and the only player who is pointless is women's world champion and overall world #70 Yifan Hou. Which always makes me wonder why the rankings are so dominated by men. I know far more men play the game but one would think that enough women play that a few world class savants would be floating around. Hmph, ah well, I'm sure this has been covered extensively over the years somewhere. Perhaps I shall try to find out where.
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Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: Chess
This study argues that it's overhwelmingly (96%) a statistical artifact of participation rates. One study, small sample, etc caveats.
Note the title makes absolutely no sense.
This study argues that it's overhwelmingly (96%) a statistical artifact of participation rates. One study, small sample, etc caveats.
Note the title makes absolutely no sense.
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Jimjamesak
Already insane, UAA making it worse
Is it that way with other "intellectual games" like Go or card games like poker?
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: Chess
Go is insanely male-dominated, but it's also dominated by Japan, South Korea, and China, and women are treated like crap in those cultures.
Go is insanely male-dominated, but it's also dominated by Japan, South Korea, and China, and women are treated like crap in those cultures.
Jimjamesak
Already insane, UAA making it worse
I just wonder because it's not something exclusive to chess. Competitive TCG's like Magic and Yugioh have a similar issue as does competitive video gaming. I'm curious where poker is at given its greater popularity in comparison to the others?
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: Chess
I'd ascribe all of those to even larger gender differences in participation.
The really interesting difference is in top tier science jobs. The percentage of female participation has been growing steadily for decades, but the very top positions and awards are still almost exclusively male. That may be latency (at the time when the people in those top slots were just entering the field there was still an enormous gender difference) or there may be career interruption effects from children, although the latter shouldn't affect Northern European cultures that don't have the enormous difference in gender norms that we do.
I'd ascribe all of those to even larger gender differences in participation.
The really interesting difference is in top tier science jobs. The percentage of female participation has been growing steadily for decades, but the very top positions and awards are still almost exclusively male. That may be latency (at the time when the people in those top slots were just entering the field there was still an enormous gender difference) or there may be career interruption effects from children, although the latter shouldn't affect Northern European cultures that don't have the enormous difference in gender norms that we do.
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Jimjamesak
Already insane, UAA making it worse
Actually, I'd argue that chess has larger difference in gender participation over the others. The others don't have as much of a history of a cultural bias towards males as chess (although the others do have it). Probably a similar problem with science research.
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: Chess
I know basically nothing about gamer culture, but I was under the impression it was all about Koreans, boys, pimples, and Korean boys with pimples.
I know basically nothing about gamer culture, but I was under the impression it was all about Koreans, boys, pimples, and Korean boys with pimples.
Re: Chess
Anyone who thinks those sort of attitudes don't *still* affect all kinds of decisions, from who sits in which cubicle to who gets to lead the team, is completely blind.
Bigotry has a long half-life. When my wife was at CERN in 2012 (20-freaking-12), the men in her group (primarily Germans and Italians) just assumed that she would need to leave work earlier than everyone else (i.e. men and single women) since she was married and would therefore need to get home to cook dinner for me (her working-at-home husband). It never occurred to them that as an enlightened American male, I might actually be able to make my own sandwich.
Anyone who thinks those sort of attitudes don't *still* affect all kinds of decisions, from who sits in which cubicle to who gets to lead the team, is completely blind.
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: Chess
Maybe they assumed that as an American you were like the rockheads they see on American TV.
I'm not surprised by the Italians -- they're second only to Israelis in the First World Sexist HOF. But the Germans dismay me -- I really thought they were like Scandinavians and had left all that kinder küche kirche garbage back with the Nazis and Republicans where it belongs.
Maybe they assumed that as an American you were like the rockheads they see on American TV.
I'm not surprised by the Italians -- they're second only to Israelis in the First World Sexist HOF. But the Germans dismay me -- I really thought they were like Scandinavians and had left all that kinder küche kirche garbage back with the Nazis and Republicans where it belongs.
XYZ
Smoking in the selection room.
Re: Chess
Long story short as I'm unfortunately short on time, but Kep's study falls in line with what I was able to dig up. Still a bit surprised that there haven't been a handful of notable outliers, though Judit Polgar did make it to #8 world ranking.
Anyway, Caruana and Giri played to a rather intriguing draw yesterday. Giri, with white, held a solid advantage for most of it but Caruana never cracked and played back to even. Very interesting game to peruse move by move on the Tata site. Meanwhile, Carlsen was steamrolled after numerous blunders and now sits near the bottom of the standings. Lot of talk out there about Carlsen already being over the hill, but I won't go there quite yet considering how young he is and how many pots his fingers are currently in. Just way too early, though he's already in a deep hole in this tourney.
I haven't mentioned Ivanchuk yet, but if the standings hold close to what they are at the moment I'm quite interested to see what he can muster against Caruana. He's hit or miss but when he's on he's really good.
Long story short as I'm unfortunately short on time, but Kep's study falls in line with what I was able to dig up. Still a bit surprised that there haven't been a handful of notable outliers, though Judit Polgar did make it to #8 world ranking.
Anyway, Caruana and Giri played to a rather intriguing draw yesterday. Giri, with white, held a solid advantage for most of it but Caruana never cracked and played back to even. Very interesting game to peruse move by move on the Tata site. Meanwhile, Carlsen was steamrolled after numerous blunders and now sits near the bottom of the standings. Lot of talk out there about Carlsen already being over the hill, but I won't go there quite yet considering how young he is and how many pots his fingers are currently in. Just way too early, though he's already in a deep hole in this tourney.
I haven't mentioned Ivanchuk yet, but if the standings hold close to what they are at the moment I'm quite interested to see what he can muster against Caruana. He's hit or miss but when he's on he's really good.
Re: Chess
The difference is that harassment of women in the US tends to be more overtly sexual (e.g. construction workers' whistles and quid-pro-quo "arrangements") whereas in Europe it is insidiously based around gender roles instead. My wife even received an extra monthly "stipend" in her paycheck because she was married - a rule that was put in place generations ago to compensate men for the trouble of supporting that burdonsome wife at home. Their idea of moving toward gender equality was not to get rid of the stipends, but simply to offer it to married people of both genders.
Edit: also, it wasn't so much that they assumed she would *want* to leave work early to make dinner - it was that they honestly felt that she OUGHT to leave work early and tsk-tsked the fact that she routinely chose not to.
Yeah, it was surprising to me, too. It may also be important to distinguish between Bavaria (Germany's Texas) and the Nordlanders. In the US, I was used to roughly 15% female engineers, but when I worked at Dornier (in Munich) there was one female engineer out of 200 in the section - and she was a new college grad.
The difference is that harassment of women in the US tends to be more overtly sexual (e.g. construction workers' whistles and quid-pro-quo "arrangements") whereas in Europe it is insidiously based around gender roles instead. My wife even received an extra monthly "stipend" in her paycheck because she was married - a rule that was put in place generations ago to compensate men for the trouble of supporting that burdonsome wife at home. Their idea of moving toward gender equality was not to get rid of the stipends, but simply to offer it to married people of both genders.
Edit: also, it wasn't so much that they assumed she would *want* to leave work early to make dinner - it was that they honestly felt that she OUGHT to leave work early and tsk-tsked the fact that she routinely chose not to.
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