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CCHA Fans, Re: Shootouts.
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aallenpollreisz
Fighting for the only colors.
Re: CCHA Fans, Re: Shootouts.
Comley says it has something to do with conflict issues between the schools and the buildings they play in.
Re: CCHA Fans, Re: Shootouts.
When they first came along, I thought the shootout was a horrible idea. We have all heard (and most of us have used) the same basic arguements against them...a 'skills contest' isn't a fair representation of a team sport...like home-run-derby instead of extra innings, etc.
Now that they have been a part of CCHA for 2 years, I think I can learn to live with them. My first choice would be to play sudden death untill somebody wins legit, but that's never going to happen, so why keep bringing it up.
When they first came along, I thought the shootout was a horrible idea. We have all heard (and most of us have used) the same basic arguements against them...a 'skills contest' isn't a fair representation of a team sport...like home-run-derby instead of extra innings, etc.
Now that they have been a part of CCHA for 2 years, I think I can learn to live with them. My first choice would be to play sudden death untill somebody wins legit, but that's never going to happen, so why keep bringing it up.
ExileOnDaytonStreet
Drunkard
Re: CCHA Fans, Re: Shootouts.
Because there are plenty of solutions that are more plausable than your first choice and more acceptable than shootouts.
Primary among those solutions is for the world to just grow the **** up and accept that sometimes, a game doesn't have a winner.
Because there are plenty of solutions that are more plausable than your first choice and more acceptable than shootouts.
Primary among those solutions is for the world to just grow the **** up and accept that sometimes, a game doesn't have a winner.
Re: CCHA Fans, Re: Shootouts.
You are normally a voice of reason and logic on this forum, but I fear you are missing a central point. Americans DEMAND that ANY type of competition arrive eventually at a point that separates WINNERS from LOSERS. Whether in business, politics, athletics, or armed combat; there MUST be a winner and a loser. Anything less starts us down that 'slippery slope' leading to a "Thank You For Participating" award for everybody.
I sincerely believe that too frequent 'ties' are one major reason why this sport (which we love so much) has never been embraced in the USA on the same level as football, baseball, NASCAR or even golf. Canadians, on the other hand, are more willing to accept ties in their 'national past time' for two basic reasons:
1. Being buried up to their elbows in snow for the majority of the year, they have been sapped of their strength.
2. The same passive attitude that keeps them under a self-imposed allegiance to the English crown. They never had the stones to have a true revolution or any great civil war...they insist on treating conquered savages with dignity (First Nation, HA! Uncle Sam knows what to do with those losers...kill them off, then name sports teams after them). Any country that falls into the pseudo-commie clap-trap of feeling a need to assure that all their people have access to a solid education and decent health care without regard to financial status...well, they can certainly deal with a few hockey games ending in ties. But it will never work here! Not in the good old US of A.
We need winners so we can worship them, at least until we tire of them, then we revel in watching them self-destruct. Tiger Woods, Mark McGwire, Kobe Bryant, Mike Vick, Mel Gibson, Donald Trump.
We need losers so we feel better about ourselves. Horatio Alger would love the Chicago Cubs, Michigan Tech and Sarah Palin. Hope springs eternal... "we'll get 'em next time!"
As the winners fall from grace, they become lovable again and we root for them to persevere through some sort of rebuilding process, financial reorganization or rehab program, then the whole process can repeat itself.
Their were no ties at Bunker Hill, Gettysburg or Normandy. There will never be a tie in the World Series, Daytona 500 or The Masters. No matter how many 'hanging chads' there might have been in Florida, Bush & Gore were never going to be roomies at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. Sooner or later Pepsi or Coke will prevail.
Surely, you see the error in your logic now. Ties disrupt the natural ebb and flow of the American Dream and, therefore, need to be broken. Thank you.
You are normally a voice of reason and logic on this forum, but I fear you are missing a central point. Americans DEMAND that ANY type of competition arrive eventually at a point that separates WINNERS from LOSERS. Whether in business, politics, athletics, or armed combat; there MUST be a winner and a loser. Anything less starts us down that 'slippery slope' leading to a "Thank You For Participating" award for everybody.
I sincerely believe that too frequent 'ties' are one major reason why this sport (which we love so much) has never been embraced in the USA on the same level as football, baseball, NASCAR or even golf. Canadians, on the other hand, are more willing to accept ties in their 'national past time' for two basic reasons:
1. Being buried up to their elbows in snow for the majority of the year, they have been sapped of their strength.
2. The same passive attitude that keeps them under a self-imposed allegiance to the English crown. They never had the stones to have a true revolution or any great civil war...they insist on treating conquered savages with dignity (First Nation, HA! Uncle Sam knows what to do with those losers...kill them off, then name sports teams after them). Any country that falls into the pseudo-commie clap-trap of feeling a need to assure that all their people have access to a solid education and decent health care without regard to financial status...well, they can certainly deal with a few hockey games ending in ties. But it will never work here! Not in the good old US of A.
We need winners so we can worship them, at least until we tire of them, then we revel in watching them self-destruct. Tiger Woods, Mark McGwire, Kobe Bryant, Mike Vick, Mel Gibson, Donald Trump.
We need losers so we feel better about ourselves. Horatio Alger would love the Chicago Cubs, Michigan Tech and Sarah Palin. Hope springs eternal... "we'll get 'em next time!"
As the winners fall from grace, they become lovable again and we root for them to persevere through some sort of rebuilding process, financial reorganization or rehab program, then the whole process can repeat itself.
Their were no ties at Bunker Hill, Gettysburg or Normandy. There will never be a tie in the World Series, Daytona 500 or The Masters. No matter how many 'hanging chads' there might have been in Florida, Bush & Gore were never going to be roomies at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. Sooner or later Pepsi or Coke will prevail.
Surely, you see the error in your logic now. Ties disrupt the natural ebb and flow of the American Dream and, therefore, need to be broken. Thank you.
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MUhawks628
Love & Honor
Re: CCHA Fans, Re: Shootouts.
^ I am speechless at the epicness of the above post.
^ I am speechless at the epicness of the above post.
STATEdude3
Registered User
Re: CCHA Fans, Re: Shootouts.
Post of the day, month, year, and decade! That is the greatest post of all time!!
Post of the day, month, year, and decade! That is the greatest post of all time!!
Re: CCHA Fans, Re: Shootouts.
I do not like the shootout, and find ties quite acceptable.
Sometimes, a tie is a tie- both teams were even, whether that was bad even or good even- they were even. Seems to be ok that they tied to me.
Some times a tie is a victory or a loss- getting that tying goal in the last few min of a game and holding onto that is a pretty good way to finsih a game. Or if you've managed to hold a high power team to equal goals while being out played- then a tie is a win.
Why in the world do we NEED to define a winner during the regular season- I just don't understand that. The regular season is a body of work to determine if and where you belong in a post season event. There's no NEED to have a winner.
Anyway, having seen one SO, that was more than enough for me. Boring.
I do not like the shootout, and find ties quite acceptable.
Sometimes, a tie is a tie- both teams were even, whether that was bad even or good even- they were even. Seems to be ok that they tied to me.
Some times a tie is a victory or a loss- getting that tying goal in the last few min of a game and holding onto that is a pretty good way to finsih a game. Or if you've managed to hold a high power team to equal goals while being out played- then a tie is a win.
Why in the world do we NEED to define a winner during the regular season- I just don't understand that. The regular season is a body of work to determine if and where you belong in a post season event. There's no NEED to have a winner.
Anyway, having seen one SO, that was more than enough for me. Boring.
wolverineTrumpet
not particularly bad
Re: CCHA Fans, Re: Shootouts.
Me too. I wanted to leave, but curiousity kept me in my seat. The one shootout I saw was enough.
I think basketball games should be resolved with slam dunk contests (It's not like they play defense in the NBA anyway). That would be even more awesome than hockey shootouts. An individual skill competition that keeps Joe Redneck entertained because while he has no problem marrying his cousin, he hates ties that are like "kissing your sister".
I propose next year all CCHA games where the score remains tied after 5 minutes of overtime, the home team should pick the intermission game (tricycle race, frozen t-shirt, etc) of their choice for the teams to compete at to determine a winner. This will help bring in the casual fans who have always wanted to be a college athlete. They may get an opportunity to try the same competitions at intermission.
Ties are a part of life and are often the correct result of a game. There is not a winner in every battle, but the outcome of each battle helps to determine the winner of the war. Accept the tie and keep the integrity of the team sport.
Me too. I wanted to leave, but curiousity kept me in my seat. The one shootout I saw was enough.
I think basketball games should be resolved with slam dunk contests (It's not like they play defense in the NBA anyway). That would be even more awesome than hockey shootouts. An individual skill competition that keeps Joe Redneck entertained because while he has no problem marrying his cousin, he hates ties that are like "kissing your sister".
I propose next year all CCHA games where the score remains tied after 5 minutes of overtime, the home team should pick the intermission game (tricycle race, frozen t-shirt, etc) of their choice for the teams to compete at to determine a winner. This will help bring in the casual fans who have always wanted to be a college athlete. They may get an opportunity to try the same competitions at intermission.
Ties are a part of life and are often the correct result of a game. There is not a winner in every battle, but the outcome of each battle helps to determine the winner of the war. Accept the tie and keep the integrity of the team sport.
MUhawks628
Love & Honor
Re: CCHA Fans, Re: Shootouts.
But man do the casuals love it. I was at OSU over the weekend and despite there being 9000 people in the Schott (maybe 2000 Miami fans), you could hear a pin drop in the OSU fans sections for 65 minutes of a hard fought game. Suddenly when the game goes to a shootout you would have thought they just won the Stanley cup the way that place started cheering.
But man do the casuals love it. I was at OSU over the weekend and despite there being 9000 people in the Schott (maybe 2000 Miami fans), you could hear a pin drop in the OSU fans sections for 65 minutes of a hard fought game. Suddenly when the game goes to a shootout you would have thought they just won the Stanley cup the way that place started cheering.
Re: CCHA Fans, Re: Shootouts.
Couldn't have had anything to do with securing home ice in the first round.
Couldn't have had anything to do with securing home ice in the first round.
ExileOnDaytonStreet
Drunkard
Re: CCHA Fans, Re: Shootouts.
Regardless of how serious you are, you may have just gone bat **** crazy right now. And God bless you for it.
My sarcasm detector is broken. But I don't care. This is an epic freakin' rant. And I'm the kind of guy who can appreciate an epic freakin' rant. Well done, my friend.
Regardless of how serious you are, you may have just gone bat **** crazy right now. And God bless you for it.
ExileOnDaytonStreet
Drunkard
Re: CCHA Fans, Re: Shootouts.
Buckeyes don't have it all going on upstairs, so... don't count on it.
Buckeyes don't have it all going on upstairs, so... don't count on it.
Re: CCHA Fans, Re: Shootouts.
Amen to that except he forgot to mention that Americans aren't too keen on stalemates when it comes to war and politics, two things the common person isn't all that impressed with these days.
Amen to that except he forgot to mention that Americans aren't too keen on stalemates when it comes to war and politics, two things the common person isn't all that impressed with these days.
RedhawkBandMan
My tuba is bigger than yours.
Re: CCHA Fans, Re: Shootouts.
While the true Buckeye hockey fans (such as those who post in these here parts) were rightfully cheering for a good showing by their team and the much needed league points, the vast majority of the fans seemed to be at their first game of the season and probably didn't even know they were battling for the home ice. Most of them also had no idea that a shootout win was not an outright win, if their always-respectful and ever-creative taunts on our way out of the arena were any indication. We didn't mind though, because we were busy deciding what to do with our free weekend coming up.
While the true Buckeye hockey fans (such as those who post in these here parts) were rightfully cheering for a good showing by their team and the much needed league points, the vast majority of the fans seemed to be at their first game of the season and probably didn't even know they were battling for the home ice. Most of them also had no idea that a shootout win was not an outright win, if their always-respectful and ever-creative taunts on our way out of the arena were any indication. We didn't mind though, because we were busy deciding what to do with our free weekend coming up.
pierre maguire
New member
Re: CCHA Fans, Re: Shootouts.
Don't take this the wrong way but I couldn't disagree more with the people saying they don't like the shoot out. This might sound wrong, but who cares what you want? Why not ask the players what they want? Afterall, they are the ones who go to the rink everyday for practice and make numerous sacrifices to their personal and social lives to be college hockey players...why shouldn't they have a say? I know people pay their hard earned money to attend games but let's face it, shoot out or not, you still go to the games! I'd bet you players would rather go to a shoot out and lose than leave the rink with the unsatisfactory feeling of a tie. For regular season hockey, the shoot out is great and should be here to stay!
Don't take this the wrong way but I couldn't disagree more with the people saying they don't like the shoot out. This might sound wrong, but who cares what you want? Why not ask the players what they want? Afterall, they are the ones who go to the rink everyday for practice and make numerous sacrifices to their personal and social lives to be college hockey players...why shouldn't they have a say? I know people pay their hard earned money to attend games but let's face it, shoot out or not, you still go to the games! I'd bet you players would rather go to a shoot out and lose than leave the rink with the unsatisfactory feeling of a tie. For regular season hockey, the shoot out is great and should be here to stay!
IrishHockeyFan
Still outranks his daughter
Re: CCHA Fans, Re: Shootouts.
And that's the point. Fans never stayed away because games can end in a tie. They'll never make the point to come if they otherwise would not in the hopes of seeing a SO.
I would hope no player would EVER leave the rink satisfied their opponent earned more points than they did. This has to be one of the more stupid things I have ever seen posted on USCHO. If they do please let them play for whatever team you root for. I wouldn't want them within a thousand miles of my team.
And that's the point. Fans never stayed away because games can end in a tie. They'll never make the point to come if they otherwise would not in the hopes of seeing a SO.
I would hope no player would EVER leave the rink satisfied their opponent earned more points than they did. This has to be one of the more stupid things I have ever seen posted on USCHO. If they do please let them play for whatever team you root for. I wouldn't want them within a thousand miles of my team.