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Cars: 2015
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MichVandal
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Simple thing to say- cars are evolving. Just like they have since the first three wheel car from Mr Benz. The goal is to make them as safe for the consumer and society as possible- crash safety and avoidance plus as small of environmental impact as reasonable. Means driving aids, means better fuel economy, means lower emissions, means electrification, etc.
The world (not just a US President) have agreed to do this. That's where we are going.
And it's good to remind people that EV's have been around as long as ICE's have. The biggest difference between then and now is battery control and management. They still use a chemical battery of some type, they still use electrical motors of some type. Early cars had no real tools to manage the battery to make it last longer, drive farther, and be used year round. But battery management systems have been around for decades, so that's hardly new, too.
I will be honest that I don't think EV's are the single answer right now. But electrification of ICE powertrains is an excellent inbetween. Especially as we get more fabricated fuel instead of digging HC's from the ground.
The world (not just a US President) have agreed to do this. That's where we are going.
And it's good to remind people that EV's have been around as long as ICE's have. The biggest difference between then and now is battery control and management. They still use a chemical battery of some type, they still use electrical motors of some type. Early cars had no real tools to manage the battery to make it last longer, drive farther, and be used year round. But battery management systems have been around for decades, so that's hardly new, too.
I will be honest that I don't think EV's are the single answer right now. But electrification of ICE powertrains is an excellent inbetween. Especially as we get more fabricated fuel instead of digging HC's from the ground.
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Howzatwork? Wouldn't making our own fuels out of inert materials require putting in more energy than we take out? Or is the benefit the portability of the latter, so for example you use a central point to expend 10 quadrillion Btu to make 5 quadrillion Btu of portable fuel which is then distributed across all vehicles all over and is thus of more use?
MichVandal
Well-known member
Well, alcohol is a fabricated fuel. Bio diesel is a fabricated fuel. And Porsche has a system that removes CO2 from the environment and turns that into fuel. H2 is fabricated fuel. So there are paths out there to supply with world with *some* fabricated fuel.
I'm actually more optimistic about waste paths to fuel than BEVs. We've been extracting natural gas from garbage piles for decades- so there's a process that at least exists. The only caveat is that the potential of switch grass to fuel seems to be the same as nuclear fusion- always 20 years out.
As for efficiency- there are factors that make it less important than most think. Not to brush it off at all, but if one could fabricate millions of barrels of gasoline like fuel using wind turbines and solar plants- it would be easier to fully implement than BEV's as far as I can see.
MichVandal
Well-known member
Honestly, I don't know. But the race toward energy storage does include fabricated fuel. Alcohol has a much higher energy density than batteries do, it's cheap to produce, and it's easy to use green power to make it. And it fills a tank really quickly.
But there are so many other areas that produce massive amounts of CO2 that one should not fixate on transportation. It's just one of many.
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
Don't cars have a very low amount of CO2 relative to industrial? You can roll out carbon capture at a much larger and less expensive scale for industrial applications.
I have a car biatch that will probably resonate mostly with olds living in picket fence country. With the proliferation of LED headlights market wide and the preference in small town America for BIG suvs and BIG pickups, driving at night sucks big time for those of us who drive smaller Hondas and Toyotas. Whether they are oncoming or in your rear view, those vehicles all seems to have their brights on. How is a person supposed to run to the store after dark for ice cream and stool softener?
MichVandal
Well-known member
That's why leaving the lights on automatic is the best. It will dim with other cars anywhere near.
You mean others ought to leave their lights on auto? That is either not happening or it does not help those with smaller cars. I could just get a Tahoe or Suburban or F250.
MichVandal
Well-known member
If people are leaving their high beams on, yes. If it’s just size, your rant stands.
Chuck Murray
WIS & Effingwoods Hockey Almanac
So, here's the interesting bit about your anal ysis, Frenchie (and others) ... of all the things Sinclair said about his time with Obuma, most of the stuff has already been admitted by Obuma. Sex outside of the marriage - not illegal AND admitted. Dabbling in cocaine use? Illegal, but ALSO admitted. The only thing that came up in the Sinclair interview that Obuma hasn't admitted to doing (yet) was doing dudes.
Obama's Cocaine Confessional Won't 'Blow' His Chances - ABC News (go.com)
It's legally all but impossible to defame someone when they've admitted to the conduct already. But you knew that, right? So ultimately, the part you guys felt was defamatory was the "doing dudes" part. Which BTW was/is BOTH legal AND specifically not admitted to by Obuma.
Like I originally said ... interesting use of the term "defamatory". Right here, of all places, in the USCHO Faculty Lounge, and where "Hate Has No Home Here". And not even the slightest bit homophobic LOL.
If I were a Karen (like I'm sure many of you folks are), I'd be pestering the mods on here for a suspension or two, no??
Lucky for you - and unlike you folks - I am a tolerant person, and like the Government, "I am only here to help" LOL ...
French Rage
NICKERSON HAS [CENSORED]
Obama admitted to an affair? Huh, missed have missed that story. Drug use in youth is one thing, but while an adult with a political career and family is another. So, to repeat, someone who admitted to some youthful drug use could very easily be defamed by a claim of adult drug use and extra-marital sex in a hotel room (with implied payment via the sex), regardless of who made that claim, as any reasonable person with character left to defame could see the difference.
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I'm not saying people aren't dimming. It's a combination of brighter lights and a crazy need for big vehicles.
MichVandal
Well-known member
Then you are right. Sucks. Bad.
MichVandal
Well-known member
Why is this rumor even relevant? Seriously- he stopped being President back in 2016. And this rumor was from 2009?? It's not as if he was caught on tape bragging that he assaulted women in a competition that he sponsored. And even that was overlooked.
Nothing that he did in office will get undone. And he can't be President again.
This is just one big nothing ball.
The only problems I had with his joking admission of cocaine use were that he didn't include them with the acknowledgement that if he - a black man - had been caught and arrested for it he absolutely would not have gone on to be President. Further, that he didn't do much of anything to address that racial and socioeconomic disparity.
It could have been a positive moment for us all. "I tried coke once in college. I didn't like it really. I 'got away with it' but let me tell you how lucky I was not to get arrested and put into the system. I wouldn't be here talking to you today. And millions of young people, young black people especially, have their life courses changed irreparably by this and we need to fix that."
But it wasn't. It was a throw away line that simpletons like chuck keep going back to as evidence of... things.
It could have been a positive moment for us all. "I tried coke once in college. I didn't like it really. I 'got away with it' but let me tell you how lucky I was not to get arrested and put into the system. I wouldn't be here talking to you today. And millions of young people, young black people especially, have their life courses changed irreparably by this and we need to fix that."
But it wasn't. It was a throw away line that simpletons like chuck keep going back to as evidence of... things.
SonofSouthie
Misanthrope
Retiring in January and going to buy a new vehicle. I've only owned one vehicle(83 Malibu Classic bought in 86) in my life and that was when we lived in New Mexico and out there you had to have one. My sister has a Hyundai Tucson she really likes, and I was looking at a Hyundai Santa Fe, but just looking online. I've heard prices start coming down in Dec so that's when I'll go pound the pavement.