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Campaign 2016 - Snow White and the 7 dwarfs.
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Unless you're proposing banning robots, they aren't coming back.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: Campaign 2016 - Snow White and the 7 dwarfs.
LOL.
Paying more than 15% and I don't get to choose ****. What planet are you on?
LOL.
Paying more than 15% and I don't get to choose ****. What planet are you on?
The Sicatoka
Kicizapi Cetan
Re: Campaign 2016 - Snow White and the 7 dwarfs.
Not my numbers, just using them in the retort.
Not my numbers, just using them in the retort.
Re: Campaign 2016 - Snow White and the 7 dwarfs.
This is why I like the concept of single payer, but would like to see it enacted in the real world...
http://www.bostonglobe.com/business...story.html?p1=Article_Recommended_ArticleText
I can't think of too many states that wouldn't want to implement single payer more than Vermont. Heck, its Bernie's home base. However, even they couldn't make it work. A very powerful reason the ACA got passed is because we already had an example of it in operation for several years before in Massachusetts. No death panels. No massive job losses. The state didn't go bankrupt. Try to go to single payer all of a sudden and there's no defense against the darts thrown your way because the one state that tried it had to give it up.
This is why I like the concept of single payer, but would like to see it enacted in the real world...
http://www.bostonglobe.com/business...story.html?p1=Article_Recommended_ArticleText
I can't think of too many states that wouldn't want to implement single payer more than Vermont. Heck, its Bernie's home base. However, even they couldn't make it work. A very powerful reason the ACA got passed is because we already had an example of it in operation for several years before in Massachusetts. No death panels. No massive job losses. The state didn't go bankrupt. Try to go to single payer all of a sudden and there's no defense against the darts thrown your way because the one state that tried it had to give it up.
FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
Re: Campaign 2016 - Snow White and the 7 dwarfs.
IMO, he's a combo of #2 and #3. I don't think you get out from under $800 million in personal debt without having some brains and a lot of good legal advice. Being able to put on a excellent patina of phony confidence in public goes a long way with a lot of folks, too.
I'd let him build my golf course, but he's definitely not the guy I would call to run my airline. Or my country.
IMO, he's a combo of #2 and #3. I don't think you get out from under $800 million in personal debt without having some brains and a lot of good legal advice. Being able to put on a excellent patina of phony confidence in public goes a long way with a lot of folks, too.
I'd let him build my golf course, but he's definitely not the guy I would call to run my airline. Or my country.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 - Snow White and the 7 dwarfs.
Yup, Sicatoka was answering my hypothetical, and the numbers I used could have been anything. The larger point (for me) was why when people talk about taxes as an expense they don't factor in other expense data that is offset by taxes.
Sicatoka didn't actually address my point, though he brought up the fair point that just looking at costs -- even total costs, as in my hypothetical -- doesn't factor in other non-cost goods, like choice. My answer to that is that the present system actually restricts choice as well, and also that there is a hidden choice cost when you do not have universal coverage -- all the people who have no choice because they have no coverage. There are freedoms to and freedoms from, and they are of equal weight.
Yup, Sicatoka was answering my hypothetical, and the numbers I used could have been anything. The larger point (for me) was why when people talk about taxes as an expense they don't factor in other expense data that is offset by taxes.
Sicatoka didn't actually address my point, though he brought up the fair point that just looking at costs -- even total costs, as in my hypothetical -- doesn't factor in other non-cost goods, like choice. My answer to that is that the present system actually restricts choice as well, and also that there is a hidden choice cost when you do not have universal coverage -- all the people who have no choice because they have no coverage. There are freedoms to and freedoms from, and they are of equal weight.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
St. Clown
Liberal Rebel Scum, apparently
Re: Campaign 2016 - Snow White and the 7 dwarfs.
His net wealth would be greater now if he had simply invested his inheritance in a market index fund and let it ride. Instead, he let his ego get the better of him, and has pretty much only succeeded in not losing value (when ignoring inflation).
That's the dirty secret to the manufacturing sector in the US: the manufacturing sector is still strong, only it's becoming more and more automated and therefore requiring fewer and fewer laborers. It's contribution to real GDP figures, has never been higher.
Twitch Boy
Defacing this tagline is a MAX foul
Re: Campaign 2016 - Snow White and the 7 dwarfs.
Trump is a salesman. No more, no less. His job is to close the deal. His job is to make the sale. His job is to say whatever will influence the people opposite him to sign on the dotted line. He's darned good at doing exactly that. He'll let his "great people" worry about fulfilling the terms.
Whether that makes an effective leader? Reply hazy.
Trump is a salesman. No more, no less. His job is to close the deal. His job is to make the sale. His job is to say whatever will influence the people opposite him to sign on the dotted line. He's darned good at doing exactly that. He'll let his "great people" worry about fulfilling the terms.
Whether that makes an effective leader? Reply hazy.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 - Snow White and the 7 dwarfs.
In all honesty it's not the worst skill for a president.
In all honesty it's not the worst skill for a president.
Re: Campaign 2016 - Snow White and the 7 dwarfs.
I for one won't underestimate Trump. He's good at what he does, which is get people to buy something (real estate, gambling, etc) that they don't need. That skill translates real well to politics. He clearly has his finger on what appeals to the public. He also knows when to pick a fight and when to back off despite everything you read about him. My assessment of Trump is that he looked at where the base of the party is, looked at the mental midgets running for Prez, and make the correct calculation that there was room for the character that he's playing this year. Not too different from how Reagan marketed himself in his winning Presidential campaign.
I for one won't underestimate Trump. He's good at what he does, which is get people to buy something (real estate, gambling, etc) that they don't need. That skill translates real well to politics. He clearly has his finger on what appeals to the public. He also knows when to pick a fight and when to back off despite everything you read about him. My assessment of Trump is that he looked at where the base of the party is, looked at the mental midgets running for Prez, and make the correct calculation that there was room for the character that he's playing this year. Not too different from how Reagan marketed himself in his winning Presidential campaign.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 - Snow White and the 7 dwarfs.
That's a little tough on Reagan. Reagan had already burnished his character in CA politics in the 60s. He was one of the first really blatant talking hairdo politicians and while he may have been inauthentic he does get credit for putting in the work for a lot of years. Then he just hit the right moment when the country was tired of thinking and just wanted a little mental nap, and his handlers ripped open that hole and remade the country in their predatory image.
That's a little tough on Reagan. Reagan had already burnished his character in CA politics in the 60s. He was one of the first really blatant talking hairdo politicians and while he may have been inauthentic he does get credit for putting in the work for a lot of years. Then he just hit the right moment when the country was tired of thinking and just wanted a little mental nap, and his handlers ripped open that hole and remade the country in their predatory image.
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Re: Campaign 2016 - Snow White and the 7 dwarfs.
fyp; his support is enthused but shallow.
fyp; his support is enthused but shallow.
Re: Campaign 2016 - Snow White and the 7 dwarfs.
Anyone around deal making as much as he's been must have learned quite a bit. Even if one goes bankrupt, that says he is either a severe risk taker and it didn't work out or he's a bad judge of risk. That may be true, but he must know quite a bit. Now whether that translates over an ability to run a country via macro economics...I have my concerns.
Anyone around deal making as much as he's been must have learned quite a bit. Even if one goes bankrupt, that says he is either a severe risk taker and it didn't work out or he's a bad judge of risk. That may be true, but he must know quite a bit. Now whether that translates over an ability to run a country via macro economics...I have my concerns.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 - Snow White and the 7 dwarfs.
Trump's worse problem is for every voter who will vote for him no matter what there are 2 who will vote against him no matter what. That's why he can win in a 3+ race like the nomination but not in a 2-way like the general.
Cruz might actually have the same problem; he's just been so eclipsed by the Trump circus that his negatives haven't had a chance to explode, but they will.
If there was ever a year for a true Libertarian candidate...
Trump's worse problem is for every voter who will vote for him no matter what there are 2 who will vote against him no matter what. That's why he can win in a 3+ race like the nomination but not in a 2-way like the general.
Cruz might actually have the same problem; he's just been so eclipsed by the Trump circus that his negatives haven't had a chance to explode, but they will.
If there was ever a year for a true Libertarian candidate...
Re: Campaign 2016 - Snow White and the 7 dwarfs.
Somebody has to build the robots, don't they?
Somebody has to build the robots, don't they?
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 - Snow White and the 7 dwarfs.
The busiest worker I know (working 20-hour-days-all-Christmas-weekend busy) is a robotics expert. Spends his life flying around to various minute-by-minute emergency shutdowns in factories whose profitability depends on yesterday's production. I wouldn't do it for any money, but it's apparently in high demand.
The busiest worker I know (working 20-hour-days-all-Christmas-weekend busy) is a robotics expert. Spends his life flying around to various minute-by-minute emergency shutdowns in factories whose profitability depends on yesterday's production. I wouldn't do it for any money, but it's apparently in high demand.
Re: Campaign 2016 - Snow White and the 7 dwarfs.
Now we need hundreds or thousands of people to work basic jobs in the service industry. But that will soon change with technology advances. The uneducated, working class will just move on to the next basic thing.
We used to need a dozen or more guys to farm a field of 160 acres. Then we needed a plant of 2000 to build cars or turn cattle into ground beef. Both needs went by the wayside decades ago due to automation.
Now we need hundreds or thousands of people to work basic jobs in the service industry. But that will soon change with technology advances. The uneducated, working class will just move on to the next basic thing.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 - Snow White and the 7 dwarfs.
Stop having so many kids. 12-kid families made sense when 6 of them died before they were 4. 9-kid families made sense when they were needed for farm labor. 6-kid families made sense when capitalists needed them as cannon fodder. 4-kid families made sense when they needed them to spend their lives in factories. All that's gone. Have your 2 kids and don't be a genetic d1ck.
If you want to solve all the world's problems, shoot all males into orbit from 15-25 and send all females to grad school.
Stop having so many kids. 12-kid families made sense when 6 of them died before they were 4. 9-kid families made sense when they were needed for farm labor. 6-kid families made sense when capitalists needed them as cannon fodder. 4-kid families made sense when they needed them to spend their lives in factories. All that's gone. Have your 2 kids and don't be a genetic d1ck.
If you want to solve all the world's problems, shoot all males into orbit from 15-25 and send all females to grad school.
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