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Campaign 2016 - Primary season! Duck (questions) season!

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Ross Douthat is in the sane phase of his DSM-5 Borderline Personality Disorder this morning. No new info but a good summary of the GOP opportunity / crisis.
 
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From those flaming corporate oligarchy sellouts at Mother Jones re: Sanders economic assumptions:

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2016/02/sanders-campaign-has-crossed-neverland

I also like this response when it was posted in Kos:

"So are you saying the piece is wrong? Or are you saying it isn't relevant news? Because it sounds like you are just objecting because it doesn't put your candidate in the best light. I say this with all sincerity: The single most worrisome thing to me about the Sanders campaign is the absolute refusal to consider legitimate criticism of Sanders. The constant accusations that any criticism is a secret partisan plan to “smear Bernie” makes it very very difficult to judge him on the merits of his platform. There are many voters who can vote for him despite his flaws as a candidate. But instead his supporters seem to want to insist on 100% purity from anyone even discussing Sanders. Not only is it off-putting, it stifles any real discussion of the nuances of his positions. If you continue to kill the messenger and accuse any dissent as partisan hackery you never really give people an opportunity to discuss the actual candidate. There are many voters who don't want to be “fans” and part of ersatz revolutions. They want to vote for the best candidate when every single candidate is a career politician. They need information and not accusations in order to do that. "

Couldn't have said it better myself. Lets allow an honest evaluation of the candidates seeking to represent us.
 
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Lets allow an honest evaluation of the candidates seeking to represent us.

If you want honesty you might start with the fact that those numbers are some professor's analysis, not the Sanders campaign's.
 
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If you want honesty you might start with the fact that those numbers are some professor's analysis, not the Sanders campaign's.


You should tell that to his campaign, Kep. From the article:

Warren Gunnels, policy director for the Sanders campaign, hailed the report’s finding that the proposals are feasible and expressed hope that more people will look into them. “It’s gotten a little bit of attention, but not nearly as much as we would like,” Mr. Gunnels said. “Senator Sanders has been fighting establishment politics, the establishment economics and the establishment media. And this is the last thing they want to take a look at.

“It shows that over a 10-year period, we would create 26 million new jobs, the poverty rate would plummet, that incomes would go up dramatically, and we would have strong economic growth. ... It’s a very bold plan, and we want to get this out there.”
 
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“It shows that over a 10-year period, we would create 26 million new jobs, the poverty rate would plummet, that incomes would go up dramatically, and we would have strong economic growth. ... It’s a very bold plan, and we want to get this out there.”

poverty rate is going to plummet?!?!
 
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poverty rate is going to plummet?!?!

It's always interesting how all that isn't possible but unlimited wars, corporate welfare, and the income of the billionaire class are. Always entertains me. The country that walked on the moon doesn't exist anymore. It's dead.
 
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Bernie and The Donald are doing us a service by pointing out that we are ill served by our political masters. What we do about it is up to us.

I don't advocate electing either of them. But please vote for the middle, not for the fringes. Too often we see candidates bloviate on a single issue or a small amount of issues. But what about the rest of the issues that have a more important impact on my/your lives? Do we ask these questions of the candidates in open forum?

Who's going to pay for the bridge that's been on the "fixit now" list for the past 15 years? I use that bridge every day in my commute.
My school taxes keep going up and up, yet the school test scores are headed in the opposite direction. What are the priorities?
You closed the local fire station. Why?

Tip was right - all politics is local. Yet the front page of the WaPo is full of national / international stories. I don't give a bug's butt about what the Pope said in Mexico. I'll read about that in the Archdiocese newspaper. What about my bridge? What about my schools? What about my fire station?
 
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It's always interesting how all that isn't possible but unlimited wars, corporate welfare, and the income of the billionaire class are. Always entertains me. The country that walked on the moon doesn't exist anymore. It's dead.

I think its helpful to be The Reality Party, and not have dueling versions of Fantasyland with the Republicans. But, I'm part of the Corporate Oligarchy so that might be clouding my viewpoint! I'm not sure when I joined it mind you, and I wish the pay were better....

I noticed neither you or Kep addressed the substance of the piece though.
 
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It's always interesting how all that isn't possible but unlimited wars, corporate welfare, and the income of the billionaire class are. Always entertains me. The country that walked on the moon doesn't exist anymore. It's dead.


what does X have to do with Y?
 
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I think its helpful to be The Reality Party, and not have dueling versions of Fantasyland with the Republicans. But, I'm part of the Corporate Oligarchy so that might be clouding my viewpoint! I'm not sure when I joined it mind you, and I wish the pay were better....

I noticed neither you or Kep addressed the substance of the piece though.

I'm not supporting Bernie so I don't care. I'm supporting the middle of the road candidate that is finding every possible way she can to lose the election. All she had to do was keep her head down for 8 years. Instead she gave high paid speeches to Wall Street and ran her own email server. Calling her stupid is entirely probable right now.

What I do care about is how Republican spending is possible and Bernie spending is not.
 
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What I do care about is how Republican spending is possible and Bernie spending is not.

Republican spending is nutso which is why they've been outvoted in 5 out of 6, and soon to be 6 out of 7 Presidential elections. Trying to out-loony the GOP isn't a good strategy IMHO.
 
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Republican spending is nutso which is why they've been outvoted in 5 out of 6, and soon to be 6 out of 7 Presidential elections. Trying to out-loony the GOP isn't a good strategy IMHO.

Do you have a clue how many elections the Republicans have won? I don't think you do. They control most of the country. Politics is local.
 
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I noticed neither you or Kep addressed the substance of the piece though.

As long as you're not paying me I'm not at your beck and call.

But if you want to create an honest comparison, where's Hillary's plan and a like analysis of it?

Here's an interesting piece on the tax portion of the plan.
 
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A perfect metaphor for the difference between the Sanders and Clinton campaigns.

The online landscape of Bernie apps is so broad it can be hard to get a handle on. Some can be downloaded for free from the Apple and Google Play app stores; others are internal tools for Sanders’ volunteers to use. There’s an app dubbed “Ground Control” that organizes volunteer phone-bank hosts and helps campaign staffers approve grass-roots events. Another app, Bernie BNB, has about 1,000 Sanders-minded volunteers searching either for a place to spend the night or offering a free spare bed in their homes. Two million visitors have clicked on feelthebern.org, a heavily footnoted site that compiles the Vermont senator’s stances on a range of policy positions from climate change to immigration. Volunteers can turn each page into a downloadable flier that can be used for canvassing.

“I’ve heard of superPACs building crappier websites with full-time staff for $1 [million] to $2 million,” said Daniela Perdomo, the 30-year old tech volunteer who spearheaded the building of feelthebern.org during more than five weeks of all-night shifts from her Brooklyn home not far from Hillary Clinton’s campaign headquarters.

The contrast with Sanders’ Democratic challenger, Hillary Clinton, couldn’t be more stark. Her operation is led in part by former Google executive Stephanie Hannon and an army of digital hands who honed their online skills on Barack Obama’s presidential campaigns or elsewhere in the Democratic advocacy power structure. But Clinton’s tech innovators are hobbled, several Democratic and GOP tech experts said in interviews, by a hierarchical management structure that is seen as stifling new projects, or at least requiring them to win multiple layers of sign-offs before they go live.
 
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...What about my bridge? What about my schools? What about my fire station?

Amen!

I'd be politicking for whatever candidate said they were going to get bridges fixed, roads reconstructed, building better rail/transit connections, or creating assistance to private rail lines in an effort to reconstruct the outdated choke points throughout the country. But no. No one's talking about "real" issues.


All a candidate needs to do is lay out an infrastructure improvement plan that makes some sense, get the unions to agree and back these plans, and they're going to win a lot of the support they need. I'm not asking for an Eisenhower-ish Interstate Highway type program just to create roads to nowhere. Let's rebuild what we have. Make improvements to bridges and highways that need it.
 
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Do you have a clue how many elections the Republicans have won? I don't think you do. They control most of the country. Politics is local.

Scooby they "control" jack sh !t and its their own fault. I won't address individual states because its too broad and lumping in Charlie Baker with Sam Brownback is unfair. But for Congress, what exactly does the GOP have to show for itself? Since the GOP took over the House in 2011, this has happened: 1) Higher taxes on the rich. 2) Increased banking regulations. 3) Expanded EPA regulations on power plants. 4) Total funding of the ACA. 5) Gay marriage legalized everywhere.


Ya know, that doesn't look like a GOP world to me Scooby. The reasons are simple. The GOP as currently constituted and unlike their Reagan and Gingrich led forbearers, don't want to do the hard work of getting anything passed. They'd rather lob rhetorical bombs and then do a guest spot on Fox cable. When you do that, other govt entities step on to fill the breach (Prez - Executive orders, FED - Economic stimulus, Relying on old war authorizations, etc). Perhaps someday they'll wake up and realize a primetime TV gig isn't a replacement for actually getting a law enacted, but until that day comes the Presidency and then the Courts remains where all the action is. Hence the reason why the death of Scalia is such a game changer provided nobody else dies/retires in the next few years.

As long as you're not paying me I'm not at your beck and call.

Suit yourself Kep but if you find yourself in a gulag with Fishy or Flaggy after Hillary gets elected at least you'll know why. :eek:

As someone who used to enjoy your insights out here as much or more than any other poster I've read I say again I don't like the effect the Sanders campaign is having on you. Not expecting that to matter to you or to change your devotion to the man but that's my own observation. In general from the Sanders people I'm getting too many conspiracy theories and a complete disregard for logic and reality. Bernie the moralizer is spot on correct for the most part. Bernie the problem solver is a disaster if he sticks by his plans.
 
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All a candidate needs to do is lay out an infrastructure improvement plan that makes some sense, get the unions to agree and back these plans, and they're going to win a lot of the support they need. I'm not asking for an Eisenhower-ish Interstate Highway type program just to create roads to nowhere. Let's rebuild what we have. Make improvements to bridges and highways that need it.

if a burger flipper makes $18/hr and walmart greeter approaches $20, you better believe a union concrete pourer is going to demand $100/hr++ to keep their purchasing power differential.

there is only so much supply out there. if we stimulate demand to the degree bern is feeling it, the poverty line may approach an annual salary of $100k before long.
 
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Scooby they "control" jack sh !t and its their own fault. I won't address individual states because its too broad and lumping in Charlie Baker with Sam Brownback is unfair. But for Congress, what exactly does the GOP have to show for itself? Since the GOP took over the House in 2011, this has happened: 1) Higher taxes on the rich. 2) Increased banking regulations. 3) Expanded EPA regulations on power plants. 4) Total funding of the ACA. 5) Gay marriage legalized everywhere.

so you saying BHO did nothing from 2008-2011?!?!?
 
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Rover Proposal #3,456,775 from the Manifesto.

Congress should decide how much money they want to spend on infrastructure over the next 5 years and adjust the gas tax accordingly. With gas process being below 2 bucks a gallon, this is an easy tax to get away with. Also with cars being ever more efficient, people aren't using as much gas anyway. Hypothetically if Congress didn't want to spend anything they could cut the tax :rolleyes: but mostly likely they can do their freakin jobs for once, decide how much spending is needed, and plan accordingly. If they come up short an appropriation can be made. If the tax raises more than needed send that money back to the Treasury.
 
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