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Campaign 2016 - People lie the most after a hunt, during a war or before an election

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SJHovey said:
5%?? Either party lops 5% off the others totals in a Presidential election there is going to be a major shift. In fact there are only 8 red states from the last election that would come back into play with such a large shift, but 13 blues. 5% is a big shift.
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Historically it has not been that big a shift. The reasons it seems so now is the two parties have stagnated. Each election goes the same way because each is a repeat of the prior one.
 
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Kepler said:
Historically it has not been that big a shift. The reasons it seems so now is the two parties have stagnated. Each election goes the same way because each is a repeat of the prior one.
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Historically is irrelevant. Swing voters barely exist. The new normal is turnout + demographics. Younger voters vote Dem but don't vote as reliably. Demographic change keeps adding to Dem totals, but again it depends on whether they show up. How well even Bill Clinton appealed to the middle in 1992 isn't nearly as relevant as Barack Obama losing Indies and the over 55 crowd but handily winning re-election. How Reagan won over Dems in 1980 has no impact. Those people he won over can't be much younger than 60 since that election was 35 years ago. Moderate Republicans of days gone yonder are now called "Democrats" or "deceased". That's how they've managed to win more votes in 5 out of the last 6 Presidential elections.

So I concur that a 5% shift is a major undertaking. Really, you're looking for the next Reagan. Maybe he's in this current crop of Goopers running for Prez but I don't see that yet. If you do, I'm curious who you see bringing about this shift.
 
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Rover said:
Comedy break! You all may have missed this since he's registering 1% in the polls, but Chris "Krispy Kreme" Christie wants to launch WWIII with Russia over.....Syria? :confused: :rolleyes:

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/fir...ld-shoot-down-russian-planes-over-syria/?_r=0

Yeah....
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He's not fit (no pun intended) to run a **** lemonade stand much less be president. He's worse than Trump in that not only is he embarrassing, but he's dangerously unstable it appears. Is he not able to see more than one step ahead of his decisions?
 
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I had no idea Alan Alda was running for president.
 
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Max Boot
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Jim Webb would be strong candidate in party of Truman & JFK. But that party doesn't exist anymore.

https://twitter.com/esquire -- @dick_nixon is doing the commentary.

@JimWebbUSA: "No country is a country without defining its borders." <-- He's doomed!

Ann Coulter ‏@AnnCoulter 10:19pm ET
Hillary wants the bankers to go to jail so she can get investment advice while there.
 
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if linc had just said, "nobody reads that chit" he would have got mookie's vote :D
 
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A debate about actual issues? That was refreshing.

Although I'd like to know how in 2015 Hillary still doesn't have an opinion on weed.
 
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The Hilary suck up job here by CNN post debate is unsurprising.
 
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Huckabee managed the worst tweet of the night, even more than Trump:

“I trust @BernieSanders with my tax dollars like I trust a North Korean chef with my labrador!”
 
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Oh come on that was pretty funny :)
 
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Consensus is, big win for Hillary! Not that Bernie was bad, but as I wrote yesterday he's going to struggle on the gun issue. It takes away the prime reason for his candidacy, which he's the most liberal candidate and he got there first. Good move as I suspected on the e-mails (as I told joecct earlier). His best bet was to stick up for her, and he did with the line of the night.

These debates play to Hillary's strengths (smart, poised) while not as well for Bernie (loud, cranky, disheveled) who's more suited for a large rally. Not sure what 5 more debates are going to cover frankly, but bring 'em on.

BTW - It wasn't good when even the daily kos people thought Hillary did great, after they joking declared Bernie the winner 5 minutes before the debate started! Funniest lines I saw in response to the debate:

1) After Sanders said he'd only smoked weed twice. "Yes, twice. 1963-1969 and 1971-1983" :D
2) Feel the Chafe instead of feel the Bern
3) After a poster declared Clinton disqualified herself over Snowden going to jail: "Maybe at the vegan co-op but not in the real world".
 
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Hannity went into Coronary arrest about taxes last night. I like how the rich are allowed to have all the wealth in the country and then whine about having to pay all the taxes. Seems completely logical to me that that would be the result.
 
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I didn't really think Hillary blew anyone away. And I'm not sure why Bernie is getting beaten up over the gun issue when it really came down to a single bill they debated about. His response was "I was representing the views of the citizens who elected me", which I think is perfectly fine answer. I think Bernie's biggest gaffe was zoning out during Webb's rant that somehow concluded with going to war with China and Anderson quickly asked Sanders for his thoughts, which brought upon the most general answer I've ever heard; something alone the lines of "Well yes, I think Putin will have to face criticism" or something like that.

Other than that, I thought Bernie did great. I thought Hillary looked weak when she was attacked from pretty much all sides on flip flopping and continually said "I don't see what the big deal is, everyone changes their mind on some things" rather than explaining why she changed her mind. Other than that, I think my biggest issues with her are acting like her and Obama smashed through the windows, did a barrel roll, and got up pointing their guns at China when they "crashed" their meeting, how she still doesn't have an opinion on weed, and her views on Glass-Stegall. What's the saying, history is the greatest indicator of the future? She basically said we need to forget '08 and focus on what the banks could do to cause the next recession, I think that's a poor answer to say something like that will never happen again.

They need to cut it to three for the next one. Webb and Alan Alda have no business being up there. Make it Sanders, Clinton, and O'Malley for the final five and call it good.

I think the problem with the Democratic debate is that there aren't too many differences that can be shown in a debate format. Yeah, Sanders is a democratic-socialist, but for the most part they all have the same views that come up. O'Malley even stole some of Sanders' patented talking points. Vast difference from the Republicans, who are not only fighting personalities, but are fighting a Tea Party, moderate Republican, and outsiders point of view every debate.
 
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unofan said:
Huckabee managed the worst tweet of the night, even more than Trump:

“I trust @BernieSanders with my tax dollars like I trust a North Korean chef with my labrador!”
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It would be better if he changed North Korean chef to his son.
 
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