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Campaign 2016 - People lie the most after a hunt, during a war or before an election
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Re: Campaign 2016 - People lie the most after a hunt, during a war or before an elect
I think the suck up wind generated by the press just shifted from Carly to Rubio earlier this week and she can go back to trying to find those secret videos...
Moving on, the old boy has diagnosed the problem correctly but is a little light on the solutions IMHO...
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/bernie-sanders-naive-obama-214222
Someone needs to give iCarly not only a Civics lesson, but also advice about not getting recorded making comments then lying about it later.
I think the suck up wind generated by the press just shifted from Carly to Rubio earlier this week and she can go back to trying to find those secret videos...
Moving on, the old boy has diagnosed the problem correctly but is a little light on the solutions IMHO...
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/bernie-sanders-naive-obama-214222
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 - People lie the most after a hunt, during a war or before an elect
Not that the old girl's come up with anything better.
I think he's actually quite correct about the solution. People (like me) who want to see Bernie's policies enacted should also be hoping for a wave election with big Democratic majorities in both chambers. That would also really put the Democratic party to the test, since his major reforms would send the 1% into paroxysms of bribery. Would we wind up with establishment Democrats voting down liberal Democratic measures so they could keep suckling at the withered teat of the donor class?
If we vote in Bernie with a Republican Congress then we'll have complete gridlock, and we'll deserve it. This one's on the voters.
Not that the old girl's come up with anything better.
I think he's actually quite correct about the solution. People (like me) who want to see Bernie's policies enacted should also be hoping for a wave election with big Democratic majorities in both chambers. That would also really put the Democratic party to the test, since his major reforms would send the 1% into paroxysms of bribery. Would we wind up with establishment Democrats voting down liberal Democratic measures so they could keep suckling at the withered teat of the donor class?
If we vote in Bernie with a Republican Congress then we'll have complete gridlock, and we'll deserve it. This one's on the voters.
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Re: Campaign 2016 - People lie the most after a hunt, during a war or before an elect
He (or she) needs to grab the mantle of reforming the whole voting process. What I want to see either of them say is 1) the problem is gerrymandering. The states of Ohio, Florida, and Michigan (IIRC) allow citizens to put initiatives on the ballot to put redistricting in the hands of an independent commission. I will push for that in 2016 and will prompt court challenges in other places. 2) President Obama's executive orders have been spot on correct. I will use and expand this option within the confines of the law.
Yes, I get we should organize and vote more people out, especially since about 26 current GOP reps sit in Obama won districts. The GOP has a 30 seat majority. But, I want to see a party leader playing chess while everybody else plays checkers. Lets go for the throat here. I want to see more viciousness out of Bernie.
He (or she) needs to grab the mantle of reforming the whole voting process. What I want to see either of them say is 1) the problem is gerrymandering. The states of Ohio, Florida, and Michigan (IIRC) allow citizens to put initiatives on the ballot to put redistricting in the hands of an independent commission. I will push for that in 2016 and will prompt court challenges in other places. 2) President Obama's executive orders have been spot on correct. I will use and expand this option within the confines of the law.
Yes, I get we should organize and vote more people out, especially since about 26 current GOP reps sit in Obama won districts. The GOP has a 30 seat majority. But, I want to see a party leader playing chess while everybody else plays checkers. Lets go for the throat here. I want to see more viciousness out of Bernie.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 - People lie the most after a hunt, during a war or before an elect
I agree with all of this. All elections are becoming more nationalized as the years pass. That should mean that, for instance, Senate seats and those few statewide House districts should align with the state's presidential vote. That doesn't help in the House, where gerrymandering and self-segregation have made the majority of seats single party dictatorships.
Draining out the money will help; rolling back the new Jim Crow laws will help; non-partisan math-drawn districts would help; but if we live in a highly partisan and self-segregated country, we're still going to wind up with armies of wingnuts who either won't want to compromise because they were grown in Heritage Foundation vats, or won't be able to for fear of being flanked by someone even crazier. As long as Average Joe Citizen keeps returning those guys to office, Congress will continue to do nothing.
He (or she) needs to grab the mantle of reforming the whole voting process. What I want to see either of them say is 1) the problem is gerrymandering. The states of Ohio, Florida, and Michigan (IIRC) allow citizens to put initiatives on the ballot to put redistricting in the hands of an independent commission. I will push for that in 2016 and will prompt court challenges in other places. 2) President Obama's executive orders have been spot on correct. I will use and expand this option within the confines of the law.
Yes, I get we should organize and vote more people out, especially since about 26 current GOP reps sit in Obama won districts. The GOP has a 30 seat majority. But, I want to see a party leader playing chess while everybody else plays checkers. Lets go for the throat here. I want to see more viciousness out of Bernie.
I agree with all of this. All elections are becoming more nationalized as the years pass. That should mean that, for instance, Senate seats and those few statewide House districts should align with the state's presidential vote. That doesn't help in the House, where gerrymandering and self-segregation have made the majority of seats single party dictatorships.
Draining out the money will help; rolling back the new Jim Crow laws will help; non-partisan math-drawn districts would help; but if we live in a highly partisan and self-segregated country, we're still going to wind up with armies of wingnuts who either won't want to compromise because they were grown in Heritage Foundation vats, or won't be able to for fear of being flanked by someone even crazier. As long as Average Joe Citizen keeps returning those guys to office, Congress will continue to do nothing.
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
Re: Campaign 2016 - People lie the most after a hunt, during a war or before an elect
Not sure how one can look at the beautiful figures drawn for the MA house seats and claim it all a R shenanigan.
Not sure how one can look at the beautiful figures drawn for the MA house seats and claim it all a R shenanigan.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 - People lie the most after a hunt, during a war or before an elect
That's not the claim, although 538 ran an interesting analysis that purported to show that nationally gerrymandering does actually disproportionately favor Republicans right now. But that could change.
But the best thing about gerrymandering is that it is theoretically party neutral, meaning we could, maybe, get reform. The eye on the ball with gerrymandering is that the incumbents of both parties are ganging up to deny us small-d democratic elections (and also barring the door to third parties at the same time). This is a fight we might win, if we identify the real enemy -- sitting Members.
That's not the claim, although 538 ran an interesting analysis that purported to show that nationally gerrymandering does actually disproportionately favor Republicans right now. But that could change.
But the best thing about gerrymandering is that it is theoretically party neutral, meaning we could, maybe, get reform. The eye on the ball with gerrymandering is that the incumbents of both parties are ganging up to deny us small-d democratic elections (and also barring the door to third parties at the same time). This is a fight we might win, if we identify the real enemy -- sitting Members.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: Campaign 2016 - People lie the most after a hunt, during a war or before an elect
Now that Carly Fiorina has come out in support of Torture it's become pretty clear that she (like most Republicans) is entitled to her own facts. Cause she keeps correcting everyone else on the actual facts with her made up ones.
Now that Carly Fiorina has come out in support of Torture it's become pretty clear that she (like most Republicans) is entitled to her own facts. Cause she keeps correcting everyone else on the actual facts with her made up ones.
Re: Campaign 2016 - People lie the most after a hunt, during a war or before an elect
Interesting article on the differences between Republican voters and Republican donors. Helps explain why the Reps do so little on social issues and largely let the Dems have their way.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/09/29/ted-cruz-has-a-point-about-the-disconnect-between-republican-donors-and-the-republican-base/
Interesting article on the differences between Republican voters and Republican donors. Helps explain why the Reps do so little on social issues and largely let the Dems have their way.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/09/29/ted-cruz-has-a-point-about-the-disconnect-between-republican-donors-and-the-republican-base/
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 - People lie the most after a hunt, during a war or before an elect
Do they just not know?
It's mind-boggling that these guys never learn, even when all the facts are in. Everybody told them torture wouldn't work and would just backfire in the global community. So they tortured and it didn't work and it backfired in the global community. And their response is to be... pro-torture?
I've always argued they aren't dumb, just misinformed. But maybe they're just dumb?
Anyway... reason #217 why these sickos can't be allowed back into power.
Do they just not know?
It's mind-boggling that these guys never learn, even when all the facts are in. Everybody told them torture wouldn't work and would just backfire in the global community. So they tortured and it didn't work and it backfired in the global community. And their response is to be... pro-torture?
I've always argued they aren't dumb, just misinformed. But maybe they're just dumb?
Anyway... reason #217 why these sickos can't be allowed back into power.
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
Re: Campaign 2016 - People lie the most after a hunt, during a war or before an elect
torture is a waste. no reason to take prisoners and this fairy tail idea to get information out of them leads to pow's.
torture is a waste. no reason to take prisoners and this fairy tail idea to get information out of them leads to pow's.
Foxton
Banned
Re: Campaign 2016 - People lie the most after a hunt, during a war or before an elect
Of course not one hearing will ever be made about the corrupt operations using an investigation to purposely harm a candidate.
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/kevin-mccarthy-grades-john-boehner-214253
Of course not one hearing will ever be made about the corrupt operations using an investigation to purposely harm a candidate.
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/kevin-mccarthy-grades-john-boehner-214253
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 - People lie the most after a hunt, during a war or before an elect
You never know. The orcs won't run the House forever, and I'm sure a number of these "special witnesses" have perjured themselves. The GOP politicians are probably safe, but a few of their useful idiots may wind up with contempt charges.
You never know. The orcs won't run the House forever, and I'm sure a number of these "special witnesses" have perjured themselves. The GOP politicians are probably safe, but a few of their useful idiots may wind up with contempt charges.
FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
Re: Campaign 2016 - People lie the most after a hunt, during a war or before an elect
The right has been screaming BENGHAZI!!!!!!! for a few years now, and Shrill's numbers were fine up until about three months ago. It's not their kangaroo court that has been her problem. It's the stupid email "scandal" that she failed to nip in the bud when she should have, coupled with Sanders' rise among young voters. She has no one but herself to blame for allowing both of those items to snowball.
The right has been screaming BENGHAZI!!!!!!! for a few years now, and Shrill's numbers were fine up until about three months ago. It's not their kangaroo court that has been her problem. It's the stupid email "scandal" that she failed to nip in the bud when she should have, coupled with Sanders' rise among young voters. She has no one but herself to blame for allowing both of those items to snowball.
Foxton
Banned
Re: Campaign 2016 - People lie the most after a hunt, during a war or before an elect
Their effectiveness doesn't change intent to abuse their positions.
Their effectiveness doesn't change intent to abuse their positions.
Re: Campaign 2016 - People lie the most after a hunt, during a war or before an elect
I'm sorry but this is absurd. The notion that if she'd only done xyz earlier and apologized and the Republicans would had nothing to feed the lazy media.
Do you really believe that BS? Do you work for the New York Times or the Washington Post?
Here in realityland, the GOP would have come up with something, anything, to try and turn into a scandal. The press would have run with it fact checking and significance be ****ed because that's what they do. And before some of his supporters get mad at me, they would have done the same thing with Sanders if he was the front runner.
I'm sorry but this is absurd. The notion that if she'd only done xyz earlier and apologized and the Republicans would had nothing to feed the lazy media.
Do you really believe that BS? Do you work for the New York Times or the Washington Post?Here in realityland, the GOP would have come up with something, anything, to try and turn into a scandal. The press would have run with it fact checking and significance be ****ed because that's what they do. And before some of his supporters get mad at me, they would have done the same thing with Sanders if he was the front runner.
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
Re: Campaign 2016 - People lie the most after a hunt, during a war or before an elect
I was talking with my dad the other night and the election came up. He thinks that Rubio is going to end up with the nomination. It's between him and Jeb! for the job. He thinks Fiorina will start to decline as the opinions of the HP brain trust start to filter out. Sounds like the Hewlitt and the Packard families just hate her. He thinks Cruz the Cannuck would never get the backing of the money because he's just not electable. Walker was their guy until it became obvious to them that he's going to be impossible to get into the office.
I was talking with my dad the other night and the election came up. He thinks that Rubio is going to end up with the nomination. It's between him and Jeb! for the job. He thinks Fiorina will start to decline as the opinions of the HP brain trust start to filter out. Sounds like the Hewlitt and the Packard families just hate her. He thinks Cruz the Cannuck would never get the backing of the money because he's just not electable. Walker was their guy until it became obvious to them that he's going to be impossible to get into the office.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: Campaign 2016 - People lie the most after a hunt, during a war or before an elect
I do not understand at all the fascination with Rubio. I just don't get it. Not referring to your discussion at all, just my observation on not understanding where the Rubio traction is coming from.
I do not understand at all the fascination with Rubio. I just don't get it. Not referring to your discussion at all, just my observation on not understanding where the Rubio traction is coming from.
St. Clown
Liberal Rebel Scum, apparently
Re: Campaign 2016 - People lie the most after a hunt, during a war or before an elect
I think people like him because he's more likely to deliver Florida than the other candidates.
I think people like him because he's more likely to deliver Florida than the other candidates.
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