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Campaign 2016 - People lie the most after a hunt, during a war or before an election

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Rover said:
In my memory I've never seen anything quite like this before. Its like anybody could be the nominee but you can't picture any of them actually winning the nomination.
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Once the first few primaries are in the books, the money should begin to tell. It will be an interesting race between the traditional corporate donors and the vanity billionaire donors. Last time the latter propped up a different "leader" every few weeks in the national polls, but in the mass primaries it was still Romney the traditional corporate-backed candidate rolling up the delegates.

The moral this time may be the vanity candidates should wait until October or November to announce. That way, they avoid a few months of vetting and if they spike it's at exactly the right time. Imagine sliding Trump 6 months to the right on the calendar. He could have swept the early primaries through Super Tuesday before the RNC was able to formulate procedural barriers to stop him. That's how you take over a party from the outside.
 
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Kepler said:
Once the first few primaries are in the books, the money should begin to tell. It will be an interesting race between the traditional corporate donors and the vanity billionaire donors. Last time the latter propped up a different "leader" every few weeks in the national polls, but in the mass primaries it was still Romney the traditional corporate-backed candidate rolling up the delegates.

The moral this time may be the vanity candidates should wait until October or November to announce. That way, they avoid a few months of vetting and if they spike it's at exactly the right time. Imagine sliding Trump 6 months to the right on the calendar. He could have swept the early primaries through Super Tuesday before the RNC was able to formulate procedural barriers to stop him. That's how you take over a party from the outside.
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Sorta like what Rick Perry tried to do last time although the problem with his candidacy was him. :D

I'm going to assume Iowa is won by a nutter (maybe Carson) because its not in the interest of Jebbers! or even Rubio to play too hard over there and then get the bad press once they finish 3rd or worse. If its won by say Cruz, that gets real interesting. New Hampshire has to be the last stand for some Establishment guys. Jebbers! and Kasich need to finish first or a strong 2nd. For Kasich after that the race is almost all down South (SC, then the SEC primary with TX-VA-TN-GA-AR-AL-OK-NC). Ohio and Illinois don't happen until two weeks after that. For Bush if he doesn't win NH or SC its time to throw in the towel.

So, the race could be all but decided by Super Tuesday but I'm curious who will consolidate the Old Confederacy vote. Calgary Ted should clean up in TX and OK, leaving him the opportunity to expand his reach into Arkansas and Alabama for example.
 
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Rover said:
Calgary Ted should clean up in TX and OK
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Still waiting for the outrage by the right on this one since he actually was born in a different country. But he's white so I guess it's cool.
 
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Spartanforlife4 said:
Still waiting for the outrage by the right on this one since he actually was born in a different country. But he's white so I guess it's cool.
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It's not his race, it's his affiliation. Republicans can work themselves up into a lather about any Democratic president. The White House is GOP Property by divine right, therefore any time there is a Democratic president it must be because of {put argle bargle here}. At least they're not wasting any time this cycle and are trying to impeach Hillary before she even wins the nomination. :rolleyes:
 
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Spartanforlife4 said:
Still waiting for the outrage by the right on this one since he actually was born in a different country. But he's white so I guess it's cool.
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Many of them have justified it by admitting he's not natural-born, however, "If the libs don't have to play by the rules, then we don't either!"
 
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Spartanforlife4 said:
Still waiting for the outrage by the right on this one since he actually was born in a different country. But he's white so I guess it's cool.
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You bring up an interesing point, which is what would happen if Cruz did start winning a few states? Would his primary rivals "go there"? I think they would, calling into question his citizenship and his "americaness". The Bush clan for one would have no trouble whispering those rumors to willing accomplices in the press.
 
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It would be funny if Trump got a discussion of the different tax rates front and center in the Republican debate and undid thirty years of the Republicans obfuscating these facts. But this is from the NYT -- it's not like Fox is going to painstakingly draw out the distinctions and demonstrate to the middle class that they've been arse-raped by the wealthy ever since Reagan.

Still, I might be a little worried if I were Ailes et al. The prime directive of the Republican party has been to bury these details and brand any discussion of it as "class warfare," in order to keep the gravy train moving. The more their smarter followers explore the facts, the more the awful truth is going to start to dawn on them. I fully realize that 80% of their voters will never figure it out, but 20% of them probably will, and once they start telling each other the gig is up.

It will be an... interesting... day when 300 million Americans figure out that 30 thousand Americans have stolen 30 trillion dollars from them, and they show up at the gate and ask, politely, for it back.
 
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That's what happens when you don't spread the graft around evenly! Instead the modern day GOP and their corporate backers seem intent on stealing everything not nailed down. The problem with that is income stagnation. Regardless of ideology, if you aren't currently a millionaire its a bit tough to define how exactly conservative tax policies are benefiting you. Getting an extra 100 bucks out of a tax change to the lower brackets might be great, but when Bush/Trump/Romney are reaping several million dollars of tax benefits from the same law, how long does it take to realize you're being played for a sucker?
 
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mookie1995 said:
No Catholics?!?!? :eek:

0.02%
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They're lumping together Catholics, Episcopalians, Methodists and Pentecostals. Which is going to come as one helluva shock to my mother.

Here's the real data.

25% Evangelical
23% None (Yay team!)
21% Catholic
15% Mainline Protestant
07% Historical Black Protestant (counted separately because... churches are highly segregated?)
02% Jewish
02% Mormon
01% Muslim

But that's not quite scary enough for a headline.
 
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Rover said:
Sounds to me like they're just trying to light a fire under his butt. No need to cut the guy loose at this point.
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Yeah. Despite what the article says I think this is a "teachable moment" for a dirtbag who seems to have been huffing his own hype and is probably issuing all sorts of laughable dictats at what is after all the RNC's representative organization at the gubernatorial level. They probably smelled a Paul Le Page redux and decided there needed to be a Come to Jesus moment.

Hopefully the spat lasts long enough to send this jackwagon home empty. In an odd-numbered year election it's almost impossible for a non-incumbent good guy to win in a purple state. Here's hoping. Who knows? Lately Kentucky has been making noises as if they'd like to at least advance to the 20th century.
 
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Twitch Boy said:
Drew Curtis, founder of news site Fark.com, is running in that race as an Independent. And from all accounts he's looking pretty good out there. Oh please oh please oh please oh please.
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http://www.kentucky.com/2015/09/15/4038605/drew-curtis-after-bluegrass-poll.html

I can't find polling more recent than May 10. (?!) Curtis himself seems like a jerk, but I like the experiment of data-driven decisions with no basis in party affiliation.
 
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