Campaign 2016 - People lie the most after a hunt, during a war or before an election

[Rover]

Re: Campaign 2016 - People lie the most after a hunt, during a war or before an elect

Follow up about Rand Paul....

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a38035/rand-paul-huckabee-iran/

 

[Spartanforlife4]

Re: Campaign 2016 - People lie the most after a hunt, during a war or before an elect

Bernie makes the cover of Time.

Also, Time still exists.

Only online. Or maybe that's Newsweek.

Leaders from this date in past elections

2004: Gephardt +2
2008: Clinton +19.4
Giuliani +4.3
2012: Perry +10.2

So, obviously every event in independent of others and variables are different yada yada yada, but if you want to apply trends from a relatively recent past, Hillary and Trump are boned.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Campaign 2016 - People lie the most after a hunt, during a war or before an elect

Follow up about Rand Paul....

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a38035/rand-paul-huckabee-iran/

"C+ Augustus." Very nice.

Maybe Rand finally figured out that blurring his differences with the GOP establishment on drugs and the Warfare State is costing him his USP. He's doomed (I mean, he's not doing his part to immanentize the eschaton and hasten the Second Coming), but it's good to see somebody on the right be sane.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Campaign 2016 - People lie the most after a hunt, during a war or before an elect

Oops.

 

[Rover]

Re: Campaign 2016 - People lie the most after a hunt, during a war or before an elect

"C+ Augustus." Very nice.

Maybe Rand finally figured out that blurring his differences with the GOP establishment on drugs and the Warfare State is costing him his USP. He's doomed (I mean, he's not doing his part to immantize the eschaton and hasten the Second Coming), but it's good to see somebody on the right be sane.

Might be setting himself up for a future run since he rigged the process in Kentucky to be able to run for re-election while he's running for President. Provided nobody from this clown show gets elected, you have to look at who makes a good enough showing to be considered again. Or, to put another way, isn't too old or committed too many blunders to disqualify themselves. That would be perhaps Paul, Rubio and Cruz. Everybody else on stage last debate will either be in their late 60's - early 70's by next election (Huckleberry, Trump, Carson, Fiorina, Kasich, Bush) or have gone Rick Perry and proven to be not ready for prime time (Christie, Walker).

 

[Kepler]

Re: Campaign 2016 - People lie the most after a hunt, during a war or before an elect

Can Walker run again in Wisconsin? Would he win?

I think Christie has followed the Rudy Giuliani death spiral and is done -- he's just a regional joke at this point (like Perry or Jindal).

Something traumatic would have to happen in the Republican party for Paul to win. He thinks two load-bearing beams of the GOP platform -- perpetual war and theological policing -- are not just ineffective but dangerous.

The theocons (Huckleberry), corporate cons (Jeb), and libertarians (Paul) each have mutually exclusive goals that are more urgent to them than cooperating to defeat The Great Satan (Hillary). Worse, Hillary is a passable corporate con in her own right and can appeal to the type of suburban white Republican who drives an F-250 and has trouble getting it up.

The Republicans need to create a new sort of political League, where there is formal recognition that there are several divisions, and the nomination process is a series of playoffs that result in a league champion who then plays the Democratic nominee. Informally this is just normal politics, but the GOP needs to give recognition to the several "divisional champions" so that the fans of individual teams can feel good about themselves and not left out in the cold when a different division champion goes to the World Series.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: Campaign 2016 - People lie the most after a hunt, during a war or before an elect

Love that Carly is getting all the love now. Cause she's a horrible candidate. Great article today.

The media stampede now is for Carly Fiorina. She’ll get a sizable poll bump and lots of favorable press in coming weeks. She showed dignity when asked to respond to Trump’s put-down of her looks, and she showed a basic mastery of detail that anyone who spends a day Googling world events could acquire.

But she will not wear well; she’s a terrible candidate in the age of income inequality and a battered middle class. Mitt Romney was pummeled for investing in companies that close American plants and ship jobs overseas. Fiorina, as chief executive of Hewlett-Packard, went him one better — firing thousands of people, while being rewarded for failure. She is the embodiment of the unfairness, the rigged game that hurts so many average working people.

Senator Barbara Boxer of California destroyed Fiorina on this point in 2010, a bad year for Democrats, in a race that Republicans should have done better in. Trump, who makes his living “playing to people’s fantasies,” in his words — casinos, gold-plated apartments, gaudy hotels — was the wrong person to carry this line of attack. Joe Biden, with his Everyman, Uncle Joe demeanor, could paint the dour Fiorina as the boss who slipped away with millions while others lost their homes to foreclosure.

Still, Fiorina tried her hand at loser’s poker, with a seemingly heartfelt account of how Planned Parenthood sells fetal body parts. The problem, as fact-checkers have pointed out, is that the video she described was mostly a fabrication — on her part.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/18/opinion/losers-poker.html?_r=0

 

[Rover]

Re: Campaign 2016 - People lie the most after a hunt, during a war or before an elect

Love that Carly is getting all the love now. Cause she's a horrible candidate. Great article today.



http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/18/opinion/losers-poker.html?_r=0

I find it funny and scary that I was thinking the same thing as several conservative columnists, which is that the stories declaring her the winner were written days in advance.

She's screwed. If people think Hillary is unlikeable, you ain't seen nothing yet! As you say Hillary never laid off 30,000 people nor ran a company into the ground. I also like the "video" she saw of a live fetus having it brain harvested? What was she watching - American Horror Story? It'll be interesting if the lamestream media can be bothered to ask her about that little factoid.

 

[Spartanforlife4]

I find it funny and scary that I was thinking the same thing as several conservative columnists, which is that the stories declaring her the winner were written days in advance.

She's screwed. If people think Hillary is unlikeable, you ain't seen nothing yet! As you say Hillary never laid off 30,000 people nor ran a company into the ground. I also like the "video" she saw of a live fetus having it brain harvested? What was she watching - American Horror Story? It'll be interesting if the lamestream media can be bothered to ask her about that little factoid.

I'm more interested in why no one has called about any of the candidates for using the word "profit" when discussing PP. If it were true at all, those involved would be in jail right now given the divisiveness of the subject. Those using the word "sell" are still misleading, yet not entirely incorrect because while they are selling its to reimburse costs.

Maybe I've missed the videos that talk about how they profit, but all of them right now keep outright lying and no one corrects them.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: Campaign 2016 - People lie the most after a hunt, during a war or before an elect

I'm more interested in why no one has called about any of the candidates for using the word "profit" when discussing PP. If it were true at all, those involved would be in jail right now given the divisiveness of the subject. Those using the word "sell" are still misleading, yet not entirely incorrect because while they are selling its to reimburse costs.

Maybe I've missed the videos that talk about how they profit, but all of them right now keep outright lying and no one corrects them.

I'd like to see more debate moderators call out the BS after they spew it. You should NOT be able to lie during a debate. When Romney was called out on his BS about Benghazi the moderator corrected him. That's what should happen.

 

[Foxton]

Re: Campaign 2016 - People lie the most after a hunt, during a war or before an elect

I'd like to see more debate moderators call out the BS after they spew it. You should NOT be able to lie during a debate. When Romney was called out on his BS about Benghazi the moderator corrected him. That's what should happen.

I'd also like to see that if a question is not answered and purposely shifted into some preset talking point with nothing to do with the topic, that that candidate immediately loses at least one response or at least one minute of talking time.

 

[Kepler]

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I also like the "video" she saw of a live fetus having it brain harvested? What was she watching - American Horror Story? It'll be interesting if the lamestream media can be bothered to ask her about that little factoid.

There are lies like that that can really hurt a party, because the Republican base will swallow it whole, and it will grow in the telling until it's thousands of babies being slaughtered at LA Coliseum while the Evil Planned Parenthood Emperor dines on their liver with a nice Chianti. Meanwhile, everybody outside the Republican base will recognize it as a delusion from a Chick tract.

 

[Spartanforlife4]

Re: Campaign 2016 - People lie the most after a hunt, during a war or before an elect

Hell, the Onion already tricked one of them into believing the abortion mega-plex like six years ago.

 

[Rover]

Re: Campaign 2016 - People lie the most after a hunt, during a war or before an elect

Fiorina has little chance of being the nominee, but you don't live down a screw up like that. I've never seen a political party wholesale adopt an obviously doctored video, pretend its true, and then try to pass laws on what they know is an obvious falsehood. When you get into a debate with the Dems, any nominee not named "Kerry" is going to slam the Republican on this. "If you're so willing to act on what you know is a lie, isn't that the same kind of attitude that got us involved in the Iraq War?" "Ms Fiorina, can you supply the video where you saw a fetus on table getting its brain harvested?" You can get away with a lot of lies in politics. You can't get away with claiming you witnessed a murder in a video that doesn't exist. At some point, whether we're lefties or righties, most of us want our candidates to have some grounding in reality.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Campaign 2016 - People lie the most after a hunt, during a war or before an elect

Hell, the Onion already tricked one of them into believing the abortion mega-plex like six years ago.

Rush Limbaugh just got fooled by a hoax about Muslims forcing Germany to cancel Octoberfest and then defended himself by saying "but the point is it COULD have been true." That was the distillation of 30 years of Echo Chamber inanity: if they have a prejudice then all facts that contradict that prejudice are irrelevant. When the theory conflicts with the evidence, throw out the evidence.

http://www.salon.com/2015/07/16/wha...ave_no_qualms_about_destroying_peoples_lives/

 

[Kepler]

Re: Campaign 2016 - People lie the most after a hunt, during a war or before an elect

Awesome.

The Rand Paul staffer jumps up with his phone to film and then goes back to his seat. He appears to say something to the Rubio staffer as he's walking away and the Rubio staffer straight up popped him in the mouth and kept going

The Rubio "staffer" by the way is his national campaign manager.

 

[mookie1995]

Fiorina has little chance of being the nominee, but you don't live down a screw up like that. I've never seen a political party wholesale adopt an obviously doctored video, pretend its true, and then try to pass laws on what they know is an obvious falsehood. When you get into a debate with the Dems, any nominee not named "Kerry" is going to slam the Republican on this. "If you're so willing to act on what you know is a lie, isn't that the same kind of attitude that got us involved in the Iraq War?" "Ms Fiorina, can you supply the video where you saw a fetus on table getting its brain harvested?" You can get away with a lot of lies in politics. You can't get away with claiming you witnessed a murder in a video that doesn't exist. At some point, whether we're lefties or righties, most of us want our candidates to have some grounding in reality.

You forgot the "WMD located in Iraq" already that Colin Powell showed us?

(Your mind loss is a-scaring me)

 

[mookie1995]

Awesome.



The Rubio "staffer" by the way is his national campaign manager.

Should be fired for punching like a girl

 

[Rover]

Re: Campaign 2016 - People lie the most after a hunt, during a war or before an elect

You forgot the "WMD located in Iraq" already that Colin Powell showed us?

(Your mind loss is a-scaring me)

Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me

George W Bush can't be replicated because he already existed. Its that much harder to trust any politican now when they want to launch a pre-emptive war/occupation because we've already seen the results.

 

[mookie1995]

Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me

George W Bush can't be replicated because he already existed. Its that much harder to trust any politican now when they want to launch a pre-emptive war/occupation because we've already seen the results.

They all fell for that overhead video and the stills.

Whynt you be surprised they fall for a doctored abortion filmette