mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
Yes I'm sure they'd be unable to think up a line of attack for Bernie Sanders.
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Campaign 2016 - People lie the most after a hunt, during a war or before an election
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Kepler
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Re: Campaign 2016 - People lie the most after a hunt, during a war or before an elect
Evidently you didn't read my post.
Yes I'm sure they'd be unable to think up a line of attack for Bernie Sanders.
Evidently you didn't read my post.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 - People lie the most after a hunt, during a war or before an elect
Somebody call Guiness, you may just have set the world record for false comparison.
Somebody call Guiness, you may just have set the world record for false comparison.
Re: Campaign 2016 - People lie the most after a hunt, during a war or before an elect
You make a good point. There are a lot of people and material locked and loaded to go after Hillary and it would be a big reset to shift to someone else. That's one advantage the Republicans have seemingly had in that Hillary was the overwhelming frontrunner and presumed candidate. In comparison the Dems have a bunch of folks to possibly target in the crowded Republican field. Still better to not have the messy primary the Republicans are having, from a strategic standpoint, but you do point out one advantage of it in comparison to a widely presumed candidate.
Kepler
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Re: Campaign 2016 - People lie the most after a hunt, during a war or before an elect
We do plenty of complaining about ourselves when it's something real. Benghazi was BS. The email scandal... there's something to that.
We do plenty of complaining about ourselves when it's something real. Benghazi was BS. The email scandal... there's something to that.
Handyman
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Re: Campaign 2016 - People lie the most after a hunt, during a war or before an elect
He cheers for North Dakota and lives in Wisconsin...he shouldnt even count on the census
He cheers for North Dakota and lives in Wisconsin...he shouldnt even count on the census
Re: Campaign 2016 - People lie the most after a hunt, during a war or before an elect
I read your post and it comes off as being absurd from my reading. Whether the Dems nominate Hillary, Sanders, O'Malley, Biden, or whoever else, the GOP smear machine will kick into extremely high gear, buttressed by the lamestream media. Given that Sanders looks a little nutty, which I freely admit is not qood reason to judge the guy but lets be honest, he will be judged on that, its not going to be too hard to come out with guns blazing against him. The problem I've found with Sanders supporters so far is a lack of practicality. Unfortunately, elections are NOT decided solely on who you feel is right on the issues. Debating skills, ability to inspire, finding a simple and clear message, the ability to attack and fend off attacks. I'm not sure if you're in this category, but I get the sense that Sanders ability to walk on water is going to be all that he needs to blow off those meanie GOP attacks according to his backers who admittedly are young and maybe a little naive. I'm saying people are living in la-la land if they think that'll actually happen.
I read your post and it comes off as being absurd from my reading. Whether the Dems nominate Hillary, Sanders, O'Malley, Biden, or whoever else, the GOP smear machine will kick into extremely high gear, buttressed by the lamestream media. Given that Sanders looks a little nutty, which I freely admit is not qood reason to judge the guy but lets be honest, he will be judged on that, its not going to be too hard to come out with guns blazing against him. The problem I've found with Sanders supporters so far is a lack of practicality. Unfortunately, elections are NOT decided solely on who you feel is right on the issues. Debating skills, ability to inspire, finding a simple and clear message, the ability to attack and fend off attacks. I'm not sure if you're in this category, but I get the sense that Sanders ability to walk on water is going to be all that he needs to blow off those meanie GOP attacks according to his backers who admittedly are young and maybe a little naive. I'm saying people are living in la-la land if they think that'll actually happen.
Handyman
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Re: Campaign 2016 - People lie the most after a hunt, during a war or before an elect
That would never happen. They arent going to backdoor in some compromise candidate because most likely such a candidate would get eaten alive.
That would never happen. They arent going to backdoor in some compromise candidate because most likely such a candidate would get eaten alive.
Re: Campaign 2016 - People lie the most after a hunt, during a war or before an elect
That's what I thought too.
That's what I thought too.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 - People lie the most after a hunt, during a war or before an elect
Then again, one could say the same for every incumbent running unopposed for re-election, yet the amount of preparation and single focus doesn't seem to matter. (It's clouded by the advantage of incumbency of course.)
In normal times the GOP field and the way it's developing would be lethal, but these are not normal times. Assuming it's not Trump or Carson, the GOP nominee will probably start out with the general public that same as any major party nominee. The only disadvantage would be the shredding of his own party's support due to the crazy nomination ride, and things being what they are intra-party ill feelings will evaporate almost immediately after the convention. Partisans are so hyper-partisan that they'll go into battle for Hitler given that the opponent will be portrayed as Satan Himself.
Then again, one could say the same for every incumbent running unopposed for re-election, yet the amount of preparation and single focus doesn't seem to matter. (It's clouded by the advantage of incumbency of course.)
In normal times the GOP field and the way it's developing would be lethal, but these are not normal times. Assuming it's not Trump or Carson, the GOP nominee will probably start out with the general public that same as any major party nominee. The only disadvantage would be the shredding of his own party's support due to the crazy nomination ride, and things being what they are intra-party ill feelings will evaporate almost immediately after the convention. Partisans are so hyper-partisan that they'll go into battle for Hitler given that the opponent will be portrayed as Satan Himself.
Re: Campaign 2016 - People lie the most after a hunt, during a war or before an elect
You missed my point in that burd, who regularly champions liberal causes, tried to seem like he was taking issue with others as liberals. I wasn't saying anything about the merits of Benghazi or such.
Kepler
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Re: Campaign 2016 - People lie the most after a hunt, during a war or before an elect
Yep, I missed your point.
Yep, I missed your point.
Kepler
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Re: Campaign 2016 - People lie the most after a hunt, during a war or before an elect
By whom? Any Democratic nominee is going to face the Echo Chamber's 24/7 pounding assault as a communist / Muslim-loving / Christian-hating / "dangerous" / anti-American / elitist / naive / "troubling" / intellectual / Black Militant / tyrannical traitor. That's what they're paid to do.
The great irony of the boy who cried wolf GOP is that because they squeal all those things regardless of the nominee we can actually run anybody we want. The wahmbulance will wail its siren anyway.
By whom? Any Democratic nominee is going to face the Echo Chamber's 24/7 pounding assault as a communist / Muslim-loving / Christian-hating / "dangerous" / anti-American / elitist / naive / "troubling" / intellectual / Black Militant / tyrannical traitor. That's what they're paid to do.
The great irony of the boy who cried wolf GOP is that because they squeal all those things regardless of the nominee we can actually run anybody we want. The wahmbulance will wail its siren anyway.
Re: Campaign 2016 - People lie the most after a hunt, during a war or before an elect
There are certainly lots of angles on these things, but I think there are people out there who have been preparing to go after Hillary for a long time and would be more prepared from the get go to go after her.
Dang. I tried to agree with you on something and see what happens!
There are certainly lots of angles on these things, but I think there are people out there who have been preparing to go after Hillary for a long time and would be more prepared from the get go to go after her.
Re: Campaign 2016 - People lie the most after a hunt, during a war or before an elect
That's right. When a 40 yr veteran is a breath of fresh air it says quite a bit about the cycle.
Our current selection is a dull and somehow angry group of politicians that are absolutely tripping over themselves to get in the spotlight and most of the public is lukewarm on the lot. Except one, which is a total circus sideshow. Biden at least has put a list of priorities above just running to be 'the guy' (and its not because he knows nothing about what he's doing unlike 90% of the current candidates).
That's right. When a 40 yr veteran is a breath of fresh air it says quite a bit about the cycle.
Our current selection is a dull and somehow angry group of politicians that are absolutely tripping over themselves to get in the spotlight and most of the public is lukewarm on the lot. Except one, which is a total circus sideshow. Biden at least has put a list of priorities above just running to be 'the guy' (and its not because he knows nothing about what he's doing unlike 90% of the current candidates).
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unofan
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Sanders has a clear message, and he definitely inspires more than Hillary, who comes across as bland and phony in many ways. Hillary is definitely more practiced in attacking and defending. I'll admit I can't judge who's the better debater at this point.
If I had to rank the top 3 Dems personally, I'd probably go Biden, Bernie, and then Hillary. Biden has the genuineness of Sanders but the experience of Hillary with respect to national campaigns. I also think he's more likely than Bernie to get elected next November.
Any of the three should curbstomp Trump/Carson/Cruz/Huckabee at the end of the day. But if the GOP wises up and picks a Rubio, Walker, or Jeb, it's a much closer call.
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ScoobyDoo
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Re: Campaign 2016 - People lie the most after a hunt, during a war or before an elect
LOL
Walker.
I was on the Walker train until he ran the most dysfunctional idiotic and stupid campaign I've ever seen.
LOL
Walker.
I was on the Walker train until he ran the most dysfunctional idiotic and stupid campaign I've ever seen.
unofan
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I'm not saying he's going to get the nomination, I'm saying he's more likely to win the general election than a lot of others if he somehow does.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: Campaign 2016 - People lie the most after a hunt, during a war or before an elect
No, no, and no.
He has no shot at either. If they give him the nomination they're handing it to the Democrat no matter what that happens to be. Morons are running that campaign.
No, no, and no.
He has no shot at either. If they give him the nomination they're handing it to the Democrat no matter what that happens to be. Morons are running that campaign.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 - People lie the most after a hunt, during a war or before an elect
Trump is so bloated in so many ways that it's impossible to judge the other GOP campaigns yet.
I would like to know what Trump's effect has been on the big money, though. My guess is he's helping keep the small fry around in the short term because he's delaying the winnowing process. The longer that lasts the longer the really marginal candidates -- Pataki, Gilmore, Jindal, Perry -- stay in the game.
The troika (Bush, Walker, Rubio) ought to sign a Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact and all bum rush Trump at once in the next debate. CNN is just there for the food fight and they'll help. They should attack him not on the merits of his "positions," which are meaningless, but just as terrible for the party. I think most Republican voters supporting Trump realize, in their hearts, that if Trump were to actually win the nomination it would badly hurt the party -- not only losing the general but also marginal seats in purple districts and maybe even a couple extra Senate seats. if you attack Trump on the merits you're playing his game -- treating him as something other than a joke -- and he wins. But by just concentrating on Trump as a phenomenon you can blunt his appeal, and like any fad once Trump stops expanding he's going to contract VERY fast. Also, by making the whole debate about Trump, they will deny the small fry any chance to raise their profiles.
It will be fascinating to see the GOP field if and when 30+ points suddenly pour back onto the electoral market.
Trump is so bloated in so many ways that it's impossible to judge the other GOP campaigns yet.
I would like to know what Trump's effect has been on the big money, though. My guess is he's helping keep the small fry around in the short term because he's delaying the winnowing process. The longer that lasts the longer the really marginal candidates -- Pataki, Gilmore, Jindal, Perry -- stay in the game.
The troika (Bush, Walker, Rubio) ought to sign a Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact and all bum rush Trump at once in the next debate. CNN is just there for the food fight and they'll help. They should attack him not on the merits of his "positions," which are meaningless, but just as terrible for the party. I think most Republican voters supporting Trump realize, in their hearts, that if Trump were to actually win the nomination it would badly hurt the party -- not only losing the general but also marginal seats in purple districts and maybe even a couple extra Senate seats. if you attack Trump on the merits you're playing his game -- treating him as something other than a joke -- and he wins. But by just concentrating on Trump as a phenomenon you can blunt his appeal, and like any fad once Trump stops expanding he's going to contract VERY fast. Also, by making the whole debate about Trump, they will deny the small fry any chance to raise their profiles.
It will be fascinating to see the GOP field if and when 30+ points suddenly pour back onto the electoral market.
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