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Campaign 2016 Part XXV: Fin

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bigblue_dl said:
Right, but I don't think any of us chatting about this in this forum actually voted for Trump, so...
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You may not have voted for, but you certainly didn't care enough to try to stop it. Like I said yesterday, it's fine if it helps you feel better to draw the narrow distinction between supporting racism and passively condoning it, but when the end result is the same, you're equally culpable.
 
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GrinCDXX said:
After getting over the initial shock of this election, the thing that's really sticking with me is the SCOTUS. The magnitude of the reward McConnell and the GOP received for digging in their heals for 9 months. It's sickening. That's not how this is supposed to work.
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They won. The Dems had 8 years of the Presidency and they won the biggest prize of them all. Square that.
 
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bigblue_dl said:
Huh, I didn't even realize that poll existed. So, 3 votes, I guess there is a chance those voters are chatting in this thread, but if they are, they aren't fessing up.

edit: Ok, so there might be one now. :p
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Someone fessed up?
 
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GrinCDXX said:
After getting over the initial shock of this election, the thing that's really sticking with me is the SCOTUS.
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Based on what I can find, SCOTUS played a bigger part in Trump winning than we realize. Many Evangelicals were convinced to hold their nose and vote Trump with the end goal of better controlling who's on the Court.
 
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MaizeRage said:
You may not have voted for, but you certainly didn't care enough to try to stop it. Like I said yesterday, it's fine if it helps you feel better to draw the narrow distinction between supporting racism and passively condoning it, but when the end result is the same, you're equally culpable.
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No, you're 100% incorrect. I voted for the candidate that I thought was the best option. That is my duty as a citizen, anyone that doesn't vote for the candidate that they believe is the best option is ****ing themselves. I did not vote for Trump. I am taking 0% of the blame.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
Someone fessed up?
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Just going off of Drew S's post, it sounded like that might have been a Trump vote, he didn't confirm it, and he absolutely doesn't need to. (who you vote for is your business, there is no need for publicizing it if you don't want to)
 
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"I didn't vote for Trump, but I'm pretty sure my neighbors did."

http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/poll-shows-neighbor-going-trump/

Trafalgar Group used the "who do you think your neighbor is voting for" question. They found the hidden Trump voters that way.

The Republican consulting firm says its findings in Ohio and Florida show Trump winning by slim margins. But when respondents are asked about who they think their neighbor is voting for, it isn’t even close. It’s for Trump.

Basically, this means Trump’s share of the vote is more likely in between the winning number Trafalgar Group found and the even higher “neighbor” numbers, Cahaly said.

Cahaly says the “neighbors” numbers back up the “shy Tory” theory — that respondents are shy about saying they will vote for a candidate or cause that has been tagged as racist or distasteful by the media and popular culture. The most recent case was the British exit from the European Union, or “Brexit,” as it is called.
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I believe Trafalgar called PA just about to the percentages also.
 
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bigblue_dl said:
No, you're 100% incorrect. I voted for the candidate that I thought was the best option. That is my duty as a citizen, anyone that doesn't vote for the candidate that they believe is the best option is ****ing themselves. I did not vote for Trump. I am taking 0% of the blame.
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It is clear that this was another failure of the media and your fellow citizens. It will never cease to amaze me what a waste of time and energy third parties are and what a lack of understanding of our system of government there is still to this day.

Let me give everyone a hint. The religious right didn't always have this kind of power. How'd they get it? By forming a third party? NO. By creating a faction in one of the two parties that actually gets elected to higher office.

You want to know why Bernie got as far as he did? He's an independent you know. He got as far as he did because he created a faction within the Democratic Party. If he had gone third party on the bit he'd be Ross Perot and a footnote in history. Doing what he did actually "changed" the democratic platform. One of the two major governing documents in our country.

The abysmal failure of education in this country astounds me.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
"I didn't vote for Trump, but I'm pretty sure my neighbors did."
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And yet you've consistently expected us to buy your "Certainly I'm above all of this, but look at what these really smart Alt-Right people think" song and dance. Interesting.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
It is clear that this was another failure of the media and your fellow citizens. It will never cease to amaze me what a waste of time and energy third parties are and what a lack of understanding of our system of government there is still to this day.

Let me give everyone a hint. The religious right didn't always have this kind of power. How'd they get it? By forming a third party? NO. By creating a faction in one of the two parties that actually gets elected to higher office.

You want to know why Bernie got as far as he did? He's an independent you know. He got as far as he did because he created a faction within the Democratic Party. If he had gone third party on the bit he'd be Ross Perot and a footnote in history. Doing what he did actually "changed" the democratic platform. One of the two major governing documents in our country.

The abysmal failure of education in this country astounds me.
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I'm sorry that you feel that way, but it doesn't change the fact that you are wrong.
 
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GrinCDXX said:
After getting over the initial shock of this election, the thing that's really sticking with me is the SCOTUS. The magnitude of the reward McConnell and the GOP received for digging in their heals for 9 months. It's sickening. That's not how this is supposed to work.
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Agreed, and from what I can tell we can thank Dems for that. Trump by the last count is under 60M votes, with about 200K less than Clinton. Romney by comparison got 61M votes. Now all votes haven't been counted yet, but why does Trump win with less votes than Romney? 6M Obama voters stayed home. :mad: I don't know yet who they are (blacks, young, Sanders people, etc) so no need to throw around accusations yet, but again, 6M people sat around with their thumbs up their @ sses this time around. :rolleyes:
 
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Mentioning the "shy Tory" theory, ... this runs parallel or akin to it.

Greg Gutfeld on Fox News during election coverage Tuesday night.

“I think the mistake here was portraying this as insider versus outsider,” Gutfeld told the panel. “This is culture versus culture. When you’re in a small town and Katy Perry and Lady Gaga and Funny or Die, Miley Cyrus mock you for your unhappiness and for your beliefs…You now see millions of people saying ‘I’ve had enough of that culture.'”

“‘I don’t need you anymore,'” he added. “This was the F.U. to popular culture. Hillary is less liked than the flu, but it’s more than that. It’s about the people that assumed she had this to begin with. That she was entitled.”
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I do believe he's more right than wrong when he says it's culture versus culture. The maps show it.

But here's something you'll probably never hear on Fox News again ... giving credit to Michael Moore:

“Very rare will I give a mea culpa, but I gotta give one to Michael Moore,” he continued. “He was the most correct person on this because he was on the left and he saw what was happening. He saw a wide swath of people that were unhappy and ignored by both the left and the right.”
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Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2016/11/09/g...ion-was-the-f-u-to-pop-culture/#ixzz4PckbiCT5
 
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Drew S. said:
The ratio of people who strongly care about gun rights to those who strongly care about gun control is probably 10 or 20 to 1.
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The vast majority of the country supports universal background checks. That is a measure which doesn't take away the right of law-abiding citizens to own firearms.

Try again, this time not boiling down the issue to "us" vs. "them".
 
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Drew S. said:
\I could never imagine voting for a candidate who is anti-gun. I think gun control is the single biggest issue holding democrats
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So you're saying if a person is a racist, sexist, bigoted person, let's give that person a gun with no concerns. Yeah, that makes sense.
 
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bigblue_dl said:
No, you're 100% incorrect. I voted for the candidate that I thought was the best option. That is my duty as a citizen, anyone that doesn't vote for the candidate that they believe is the best option is ****ing themselves. I did not vote for Trump. I am taking 0% of the blame.
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As a fundamentally selfish person, it doesn't surprise me that you believe this, but just because you choose to ignore the consequences of that act doesn't mean they don't exist.
 
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