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Campaign 2016 Part XXV: Fin

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ScoobyDoo said:
Yeah, facts are hard. I get it. I shouldn't have bothered trying to explain it. Never mind.
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You explained it just fine, I just disagree. You're suggesting that I should have voted for a candidate that I didn't like, I didn't support and I didn't agree with, as opposed to one that I disagreed with on some issues, but agreed with on many others, who is also a decent and not hateful human. Sorry, but I'm not doing that. I voted for, and will continue voting for the candidate that I think is the best choice. This time that was not Trump, and it was not Clinton. If you don't like it, don't blame me, blame the parties for nominating 2 turds that are both so unlikable that some people couldn't bring themselves to vote for either.
 
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MaizeRage said:
As a fundamentally selfish person, it doesn't surprise me that you believe this, but just because you choose to ignore the consequences of that act doesn't mean they don't exist.
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Hey, keep blaming me if you want, I surely don't give a **** what you think about me. I didn't lose this election for you.
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
The vast majority of the country supports universal background checks. That is a measure which doesn't take away the right of law-abiding citizens to own firearms.

Try again, this time not boiling down the issue to "us" vs. "them".
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This is 100% true. It's not just the vast majority, it's nearly everyone. Something like 92% of people believe in universal background checks. Ninety two!

ScoobyDoo said:
Yeah, facts are hard. I get it. I shouldn't have bothered trying to explain it. Never mind.
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You aren't using facts. You're making an appeal to emotion. Not good or productive ones either. It's not working.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
This is 100% true. It's not just the vast majority, it's nearly everyone. Something like 92% of people believe in universal background checks. Ninety two!



You aren't using facts. You're making an appeal to emotion. Not good or productive ones either. It's not working.
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There's no emotion involved. It's the difference between understanding the system and rebelling against the system. Working within the system gets things accomplished. Rebelling against the system accomplishes nothing.

And today we have nothing. Congrats everyone who rebelled.
 
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MaizeRage said:
And yet you've consistently expected us to buy your "Certainly I'm above all of this, but look at what these really smart Alt-Right people think" song and dance. Interesting.
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The difference between you and me is this: I have no emotion in this. I'm looking to understand what happened and why, past and present.*

I didn't vote for Obama, but he was and is my President, and I went on to try to understand who did and why. I didn't vote for Trump, but I also tried (pre-Nov 8) and am trying to figure out who did and why.

The quote was a mock quote of what I imagine someone said to a Trafalgar pollster. And I have $20 that says at least one of my neighbors would have said it about me.


*My personality profile (silly "work styles" crap, <-- there's the spoiler) consistently puts me in the Myers-Briggs ISTJ category.
 
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Rover said:
... but why does Trump win with less votes than Romney? 6M Obama voters stayed home. :mad: I don't know yet who they are (blacks, young, Sanders people, etc) so no need to throw around accusations yet, but again, 6M people sat around with their thumbs up their @ sses this time around. :rolleyes:
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Who. Shows. Up.
 
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Drew S. said:
Regardless of other factors I could never imagine voting for a candidate who is anti-gun. I think gun control is the single biggest issue holding democrats back. The ratio of people who strongly care about gun rights to those who strongly care about gun control is probably 10 or 20 to 1.
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you actually buy that ****? No one is coming for your stupid guns. Obama didn't come for your guns. Hillary wasn't coming for your guns. You've been brainwashed by the NRA to think that if you don't vote R, someone is taking your guns away. Not happening. The fact that you care so much about that one (non)issue, and are willing to completely overlook issues with an actual real impact on you and your neighbors lies is some kind of mental illness.

BTW, I am a gunowner. I will NEVER vote for a Republican. Their stance on social issues is vile. Their 'shutdown the government' and 'default on our debt' bull**** they pull to appease tea baggers without any care about how it negatively impacts our economy is sickening. Their clinging to debunked voodoo economics is pathetic. Their disbelief of science is troubling and frightening.
 
FadeToBlack&Gold said:
The vast majority of the country supports universal background checks. That is a measure which doesn't take away the right of law-abiding citizens to own firearms.

Try again, this time not boiling down the issue to "us" vs. "them".
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I'm not saying there are more pro gun supporters versus anti-gun supporters, what I'm saying that is of the people that are pro-gun very few will vote for someone who is anti-gun. The people who are anti-gun don't really care that much either way and I think quite a few don't even understand guns or gun laws. It's telling that background checks were voted down in a state Clinton won.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
There's no emotion involved. It's the difference between understanding the system and rebelling against the system. Working within the system gets things accomplished. Rebelling against the system accomplishes nothing.

And today we have nothing. Congrats everyone who rebelled.
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Fine. Keep disagreeing and picking arguments with people that agree with you 100% on Trump. :rolleyes:
 
The Sicatoka said:
There's a "guns" thread for this, but allow me to say please go and try to legally buy a firearm. Be ready to stand around and wait while they do instant background check.
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*** is the problem with that??
 
BassAle said:
you actually buy that ****? No one is coming for your stupid guns. Obama didn't come for your guns. Hillary wasn't coming for your guns. You've been brainwashed by the NRA to think that if you don't vote R, someone is taking your guns away. Not happening. The fact that you care so much about that one (non)issue, and are willing to completely overlook issues with an actual real impact on you and your neighbors lies is some kind of mental illness.

BTW, I am a gunowner. I will NEVER vote for a Republican. Their stance on social issues is vile. Their 'shutdown the government' and 'default on our debt' bull**** they pull to appease tea baggers without any care about how it negatively impacts our economy is sickening. Their clinging to debunked voodoo economics is pathetic. Their disbelief of science is troubling and frightening.
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It happened in Australia, which Obama and others would like to emulate. I think you and others misunderestimste just how extreme Bloomberg and others are. He would absolutely ban guns if he could.
 
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unofan said:
Just curious, do you think that's a profound statement or something? It's almost on par with saying "the winning team will be the one who scores the most points."
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Profound? Not at all.
It's just that people are overthinking this.

I said all along this will be won by who shows up.
The Clinton voters did not.
Simple as that.

Now, brace for gratuitous self-indulgence by me: I, like The Scoob, tried to warn the Hillary side this was not a slam dunk. I said, "Who shows up" as a prescient warning. Now, instead, some of my other favorite words: "I. Told. You. So." <-- Somewhere PCM is rolling his eyes and shaking his head at me.
 
Drew S. said:
It happened in Australia, which Obama and others would like to emulate. I think you and others misunderestimste just how extreme Bloomberg and others are. He would absolutely ban guns if he could.
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You realize that Kagan went hunting with Scalia regularly, right? Absent an actual constitutional amendment overturning the second, no one is going to outright ban all guns nationwide.

If you believe otherwise, you're as paranoid as flaggy.
 
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I am pro-guns, but I can say that this issue was not in the front of my mind during this election. It was not something that influenced my vote.

I fall into the category now that owns guns responsibly, and is definitely not in favor of any kind of ban or confiscation, but I am OK with the background checks and other measures to make sure that guns don't end up in the wrong hands.
 
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