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Campaign 2016 Part XXIV: Both candidates are the same, but here's why yours is awful

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How did Trump "strike a chord" with lower income whites? If he did they're idiots not racists. ;) And Bill's commentary doesn't suggest a vote for Trump makes sense since he offers nothing of substance to those folks. The level of contortion coming from the, "Not a Trump guy" contingent is very entertaining but must be very painful for them. :)

btw if they - and lower income blacks - are worse off than before it's not because of Obama - it's because the GOP did everything they possibly could to get in his way. Is that really something that doesn't register?
 
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The Sicatoka said:
80+% !?!?!

And trips over to vote for ... rigged!!! :D

http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2016/11/08/some-problems-reported-as-voters-head-to-polls/
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So it didnt work, they called someone over and then got to vote the correct way on a different machine!?! Man the Illuminati and the Rothchilds sure are devious! :D

So since we can say that the "Left Behind White Working Class" person who supports Drumpf is not exactly in line with his racist, misogynistic, authoritarian and illegal ideals can we say that as well about say...the average citizen in Germany in the 1930s? I mean they didnt all hate "The Others" and support the things Hitler and Co. were saying...they just turned a blind eye to it in many cases cause they got what they personally wanted? What about the average citizen in the Soviet Union during the Cold War?

See that is the problem with crap like that...just because you dont use the N-word doesnt mean you arent racist against Blacks. (its the nuance that those idiots at your favorite school dont get about the Black Face pictures they post) If this was just about "we dont get why others do well and we dont" then when things like say the KKK endorsing Drumpf would set them off, make them question whether he is the right guy. If these were people of conscience, in it trying to better their lot they would feel the need to have to shove others down to get it. Maybe that is how it started...maybe they wanted Drumpf for legit reasons in the beginning but there has been more than enough evidence in the past 5 months that he is wholly unqualified and his thoughts and actions are deplorable. There is a line between political rhetoric and the crap he says and I dont care why they began supporting that Fascist Sexual Predator if they continue too they get painted with the same brush.

Hell, even if the only reason they support him is cause they want a "Good Businessman" in the charge...the guy isnt even qualified to say that.
 
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Slap Shot said:
How did Trump "strike a chord" with lower income whites? If he did they're idiots not racists. ;) And Bill's commentary doesn't suggest a vote for Trump makes sense since he offers nothing of substance to those folks. The level of contortion coming from the, "Not a Trump guy" contingent is very entertaining but must be very painful for them. :)

btw if they - and lower income blacks - are worse off than before it's not because of Obama - it's because the GOP did everything they possibly could to get in his way. Is that really something that doesn't register?
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To piggyback on this...a question for Sicatoka:

Earlier you said you judge a candidate based on Executive Experience and whether they left the position with their constituents in a better position than when they got there. Does that mean that you think highly of Obama? By every available metric things are better now than in 2008 (despite the spin otherwise) so when the Prez gets to office will you say Obama was a good President?
 
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Slap Shot said:
btw if they - and lower income blacks - are worse off than before it's not because of Obama - it's because the GOP did everything they possibly could to get in his way. Is that really something that doesn't register?
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Not to mention decisions made in the past by Republicans don't happen in a vacuum, we're still dealing with the fall out of some of Reagan's policies to this day.
 
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BassAle said:
the flyers at Bates College said that any out of state student that voted in Lewiston needed to pay to obtain a Maine drivers license and pay excise tax to register their car in Lewiston within 30 days. This is not true.

LePage also endorsed the message of the flyer by releasing a statement saying “Casting ballots in two different states is voter fraud, which is why Maine law requires anyone voting here to establish residency here... We welcome college students establishing residency in our great state, as long as they follow all laws that regulate voting, motor vehicles and taxes. We cannot tolerate voter fraud in our state.”

Clearly trying to intimidate college students by making them fear some kind of financial penalty or think they need to pay hundreds of dollars to register a vehicle.
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Weird that students at Bates and UMaine were targeted but Bowdoin students were not. Oh right, Bowdoin College is in CD1 which is safely blue and 1800 votes will not change anything. 1700 votes in Lewiston and 11,500 votes in Orono certainly would tilt not only CD2 at the presidential level, but the Congressional race and certainly the local races.
 
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Handyman said:
To piggyback on this...a question for Sicatoka:

Earlier you said you judge a candidate based on Executive Experience and whether they left the position with their constituents in a better position than when they got there. Does that mean that you think highly of Obama? By every available metric things are better now than in 2008 (despite the spin otherwise) so when the Prez gets to office will you say Obama was a good President?
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I think Obama has been an above-average President. I would kind of describe him as a Democratic equivalent of the first George Bush. I will tell you that I would certainly take four more years of him over the two major party candidates this time around.

I think he has been very good in terms of the tone he sets from the Oval Office. He doesn't act hysterically. If anything, his affect is almost too flat.

I tend to think we give too much credit and assign too much blame to the President for the state of the economy, given all of the outside influences in play. But he hasn't taken action to screw up a recovery that was almost certain to occur.

My primary criticism of Obama is expansion of use of Executive Orders to essentially dictate law. He isn't the first President to do this, but we have seen a dramatic uptick during his Presidency, and I fear the genie has been let out of the bottle on that one. This is like zealous politicizing of the judiciary and judicial appointments. It can work for both parties, and once it has been let out of the bottle, the party currently in position to wield the sword won't hesitate to do so, and even expand the use.
 
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SJHovey said:
My primary criticism of Obama is expansion of use of Executive Orders to essentially dictate law. He isn't the first President to do this, but we have seen a dramatic uptick during his Presidency, and I fear the genie has been let out of the bottle on that one. This is like zealous politicizing of the judiciary and judicial appointments. It can work for both parties, and once it has been let out of the bottle, the party currently in position to wield the sword won't hesitate to do so, and even expand the use.
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Lies, Lies, Lies.

Through his first term (i.e., the first four years of his presidency), Barack Obama issued 147 executive orders, not 923. (Now into the final year of his second term, President Obama has issued a total of 252 executive orders.) Moreover, compared to President Obama's predecessors in the White House, this is not an unusually large number of orders for a modern president: President George W. Bush issued 291 executive orders during his eight years in office, while President Bill Clinton issued 364 such orders over the same span of time.
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http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/executiveorders.asp

Get your facts straight.
 
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXIV: Both candidates are the same, but here's why yours is aw

Husbands all over America will be doing this to ensure their significant others don't vote for that nasty woman...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This picture is everything. <a href="https://t.co/m9Blodj90f">pic.twitter.com/m9Blodj90f</a></p>— Amanda Marcotte (@AmandaMarcotte) <a href="https://twitter.com/AmandaMarcotte/status/796032737857699841">November 8, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXIV: Both candidates are the same, but here's why yours is aw

Handyman said:
To piggyback on this...a question for Sicatoka:

Earlier you said you judge a candidate based on Executive Experience and whether they left the position with their constituents in a better position than when they got there. Does that mean that you think highly of Obama? By every available metric things are better now than in 2008 (despite the spin otherwise) so when the Prez gets to office will you say Obama was a good President?
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He's a better choice than what we have today.
 
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ticapnews said:
Husbands all over America will be doing this to ensure their significant others don't vote for that nasty woman...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This picture is everything. <a href="https://t.co/m9Blodj90f">pic.twitter.com/m9Blodj90f</a></p>— Amanda Marcotte (@AmandaMarcotte) <a href="https://twitter.com/AmandaMarcotte/status/796032737857699841">November 8, 2016</a></blockquote>
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I dont care the context...that picture is awesome!
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
And so it begins. http://www.syracuse.com/politics/index.ssf/2016/11/donald_trump_nevada_lawsuit.html

Something tells me eight people will be deciding the President...
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Even if he could prove it (which I doubt he can unless he had someone there monitoring...which he didnt) all it would do would invalidate the few votes he can prove. Since the voter didnt do it fraudulently they would be allowed to vote again most likely and he still loses.

His campaign is desperate, it wont ever make it to the Supreme Court unless the state ends up within the margin for error and a recount doesnt fix it. The fact he is whining about it now shows his internal numbers are crashing and burning. I bet the LA Times forecast scared the crap out of him :D
 
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