Campaign 2016 Part XXIV: Both candidates are the same, but here's why yours is awful

[dxmnkd316]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXIV: Both candidates are the same, but here's why yours is aw

Is Snowden actually voting? Can he vote? How is or would that be accomplished?

 

[Handyman]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXIV: Both candidates are the same, but here's why yours is aw

Of all the catastrophic effects of the Trump campaign and GOP knuckledragging in general, the voter suppression tactics are going to be the hardest to live down. Even if the party does a 180 degree turn and starts addressing non-whites as something opposite of a scapegoat to blame all of society's problems on, I don't see how they get what is now 30% of the voters to forget that the official stance of the Republican party was that they be denied the right to vote. You don't see Democrats enacting laws restricting the ability of crabby old uneducated white guys from participating in the election.

And this wasnt even with new laws...they just flat out took measures to get minorities thrown off the rolls. They dont even deny it...

 

[Handyman]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXIV: Both candidates are the same, but here's why yours is aw

Does she have to go back to 200 for going over 301?

That would be a fun little twist

 

[Handyman]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXIV: Both candidates are the same, but here's why yours is aw

Is Snowden actually voting? Can he vote? How is or would that be accomplished?

Well unless his citizenship has been revoked he could vote absentee as long as someone got him a ballot.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXIV: Both candidates are the same, but here's why yours is aw

And this wasnt even with new laws...they just flat out took measures to get minorities thrown off the rolls. They dont even deny it...

And how anyone can justify voting for any of them just based on this issue alone is beyond me.

 

[GrinCDXX]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXIV: Both candidates are the same, but here's why yours is aw

That would be a fun little twist

Even better: first to 270--exactly 270.

 

[Handyman]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXIV: Both candidates are the same, but here's why yours is aw

Even better: first to 270--exactly 270.

Those split states would become hyper important

 

[rufus]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXIV: Both candidates are the same, but here's why yours is aw

SJHovey talked about people who can't see the American dream over the hill.

Well, Mr. Clinton posed a tougher problem a year ago.
http://dailycaller.com/2016/11/07/l...a-years-left-no-hope-for-white-working-class/



And that nails it. Talk about all the diversifying demographics all you want; it remains that 72% of Americans are white. Lower income whites (say 36% of the total American population, meaning below the average white income) are disenfranchised with or from this economy. It's not me saying it --- it's William Jefferson "Bill" Clinton.

If you have roughly 1/3 of your population waking up in the morning believing, or knowing (according to Bill), there's nothing there for them you've lost your economic engine. And that's the group Donald J. Trump has spoken too.

But this is where that roughly same 1/3 of the economy will be called "racist" because they support Trump when the real issue is "white, working-class Americans have been left behind over the last eight years*" and "the fact that “84 percent of the American people, after inflation, had not had a raise of 1 cent since the financial crash*.” Those two quotes sound like Trump, but they are Hillary Clinton's husband.

*Both quotes of WJC circa Nov 2015 from http://dailycaller.com/2016/11/07/l...o-hope-for-white-working-class/#ixzz4PQR6DIjK

And just whose policies are responsible for that?

Yeah, lets give the 1% another tax cut. It'll trickle down eventually.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXIV: Both candidates are the same, but here's why yours is aw

And just whose policies are responsible for that?

Yeah, lets give the 1% another tax cut. It'll trickle down eventually.

And that's the problem. They have no other economic ideas. Zero. They also have no ideas for Health Care.

 

[burd]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXIV: Both candidates are the same, but here's why yours is aw

I don't despise the disenfranchised--even those who will vote for Trump--and I don't many posters here do either. But I do despise Trump, and he has earned it.

I also disagree with the way the GOP has manipulated the disenfranchised through fear and suspicion of gays, blacks, mexicans, muslims, death squads, the nonreligious, and, significantly, advanced education. All parties posture, promise, fabricate, and bull****, but no party manipulates through fear like the GOP has in recent years. It has earned them the mess they are in, and it's a shame, because there are a lot of good conservative minds out there who cannot be elected because that mob has turned on its inciters.

 

[Handyman]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXIV: Both candidates are the same, but here's why yours is aw

I don't despise the disenfranchised--even those who will vote for Trump--and I don't many posters here do either. But I do despise Trump, and he has earned it.

I also disagree with the way the GOP has manipulated the disenfranchised through fear and suspicion of gays, blacks, mexicans, muslims, death squads, the nonreligious, and, significantly, advanced education. All parties posture, promise, fabricate, and bull****, but no party manipulates through fear like the GOP has in recent years. It has earned them the mess they are in, and it's a shame, because there are a lot of good conservative minds out there who cannot be elected because that mob has turned on its inciters.

Quoted for Mother *** truth!

 

[dxmnkd316]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXIV: Both candidates are the same, but here's why yours is aw

Even better: first to 270--exactly 270.

Oh my god. That would be a LOT of fun

 

[MaizeRage]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXIV: Both candidates are the same, but here's why yours is aw

Wasn't a construction zone, which in Minnesota is where zipper merges are used.

Fair enough. I read that wrong. It's still far more efficient, especially if there is a third lane that is unimpeded.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXIV: Both candidates are the same, but here's why yours is aw

And this wasnt even with new laws...they just flat out took measures to get minorities thrown off the rolls. They dont even deny it...

The current GOP will be looked back on in fifty years like segregationists are now. It's not just them being intellectually and morally wrong, but the deceitful and callous way they've gone about grabbing and holding power.

Insofar as there is ever a reckoning, the GOP leaders and the "conservatariat" will pay for their sins in the way history remembers them.

 

[rufus]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXIV: Both candidates are the same, but here's why yours is aw

What I think is really interesting about the psychology of it is that those people already ahead of them in line really don't bother the working class. Whether those people got ahead of them because they were born there, because they are highly educated, or maybe just lucky.

Yeah. That's why people ***** about how much teachers are making for only working 9 months a year, or a few years ago, whining because bus drivers in NYC were making $50,000/year. My God, $50,000!!!!!!! And just what skills do they have anyway?

Meanwhile, after the Great recession the mainstream media was full of stories about how tough it was for the elites to get by on only $250,000/year, what with the house in the Hamptons to pay for, and the kids in prep school and all.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXIV: Both candidates are the same, but here's why yours is aw

The current GOP will be looked back on in fifty years like segregationists are now. It's not just them being intellectually and morally wrong, but the deceitful and callous way they've gone about grabbing and holding power.

Insofar as there is ever a reckoning, the GOP leaders and the "conservatariat" will pay for their sins in the way history remembers them.

And there will be pictures of Gowdy, Boehner, McConnell, Issa, Chaffetz, Ron Johnson, and Paul Ryan. And they will be vilified.

 

[BassAle]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXIV: Both candidates are the same, but here's why yours is aw

Of all the catastrophic effects of the Trump campaign and GOP knuckledragging in general, the voter suppression tactics are going to be the hardest to live down.

LePage sent out flyers to Bates College students (only 15% are 'from Maine') with bogus information about residency requirements. UMaine students got emails with similar bogus info.

The Attorney General and Secretary of State came out and said it was purely political voter intimidation, that residency requirements for voting are different, for example, from residency requirements for in-state tuition at public universities and that out of state students at any college or university in Maine can register to vote here and establish residency for the purpose of voting and is not at risk for a fine and/or losing financial aid.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXIV: Both candidates are the same, but here's why yours is aw

LePage sent out flyers to Bates College students (only 15% are 'from Maine') with bogus information about residency requirements. UMaine students got emails with similar bogus info.

The Attorney General and Secretary of State came out and said it was purely political voter intimidation, that residency requirements for voting are different, for example, from residency requirements for in-state tuition at public universities and that out of state students at any college or university in Maine can register to vote here and establish residency for the purpose of voting and is not at risk for a fine and/or losing financial aid.

That's just plain wrong. He should be prosecuted for that.

 

[rufus]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXIV: Both candidates are the same, but here's why yours is aw

Polls here opened at 8, I got there around 8:45, and the parking lot was at least 3/4 full, and lines inside the polling place. Luckily, my last name got me into a line with no waiting, showed my ID(they're oppressing me!!!!), got my ballot, and was out of there inside ten minutes.

But looks like a good turnout day here in NH if there were that many people there that early.

 

[St. Clown]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXIV: Both candidates are the same, but here's why yours is aw

Driving past a public works facility located on Cedar Ave in Lakeville, the city next to my own, and cars were parked on the street. The facility has a large-ish parking lot.